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09:26 < oryhp> @yanmaani, I was reading the logs and saw your question about the utxo set growth block limit. I think 2-2 payjoin transactions are healthy for the utxo set because they can't increase the utxo set size. Incentivizing payjoins might help reduce the growth with the extreme being payjoins as default transactions - though this comes with some privacy tradeoffs. Sorry for bouncing back to a few days old comment.
09:27 < yanmaani> oryhp: not at all!
09:27 < yanmaani> my idea is basically the opposite - incentivize UTXO set shrinkage and you'll incentivize payjoins
09:40 < oryhp> yeah, works both ways. I think that if you want a strict limit, you can't avoid payjoins. It's not clear to me whether a consensus rule for this a good or bad thing though
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09:58 < oryhp> the other thing that might help with the UTXO set is CT which makes payjoins simpler and more powerful
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13:16 < harding> jeremyrubin: re your recent ML reply, I believe the MAX_SCRIPT_SIZE limit is only applied when EvalScript is run, which it never will be on an unspendable output like OP_RETURN, therefore you can place as much data in OP_RETURN up to the maximum block weight limit.  Obviously the standard relay rule is 82 bytes or something.  I'll update my Bitcoin StackExchange answer to note that nuance and I'll also mention it if I reply to your post (I
13:16 < harding> haven't read past that one part yet).
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17:27 < jeremyrubin> harding: interesting, and troubling. TBH I'm OK with addresses only supporting *standard* output types, so maybe limiting it at 82 bytes is OK
17:27 < jeremyrubin> I don'
17:28 < jeremyrubin> *don't particularly want these or to proliferate them, and my workaround works for my code OK
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18:38 < instagibbs> MAX_SCRIPT_SIZE means core will not even enter it into utxo set even if not op_return, to be pedantic .
18:38 < jeremyrubin> interesting!
18:39 < instagibbs> IsUspendable <--- enough to grep the deets
18:41 < instagibbs> underhanded bitcoin transaction, try and trick someone into taking a 10,001 byte output script as payment :)
18:42 < jeremyrubin> hmm
18:42 < instagibbs> (hopefully wallets cover this, Core should)
18:42 < jeremyrubin> maybe as some multisig?
18:42 < jeremyrubin> Altho i kinda think this issue is partly don't let strangers tell you where you live
18:43 < instagibbs> :)
18:43 < jeremyrubin> "your address is the meat locker in my basement"
18:43 < sipa> jeremyrubin: obviously
18:43 < sipa> how could it not
18:43 < sipa> it won't be an transaction output that corresponds to an output it considers a payment
18:44 < sipa> (part of the reason why descriptors were invented... we needed a language to exactly describe scriptPubKeys to watch for)
18:47 < jeremyrubin> instagibbs: this is a good underhanded covenant example though
18:47 < instagibbs> yep
18:47 < instagibbs> was thinking that
18:47 < jeremyrubin> In theory, if you had OP_SHASTREAM
18:47 < jeremyrubin> You could shastream up some output > 10k
18:48 < sipa> doing so it won't invalidate the transaction, fwiw
18:48 < sipa> just that particular output
18:49 < jeremyrubin> yep
18:49 < sipa> and you probably always need per-output sanity checking for outputs you care about
18:49 < jeremyrubin> also yep
18:49 < jeremyrubin> CTV for the win! static complete analysis of all program states :p
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