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17:39 < achow101> is it correct to say that the timewarp fixed proposed in the great consensus cleanup proposal does not actually force the MTP to move forward?
17:41 < achow101> it only prevents the difficulty from being manipulated?
17:42 < _aj_> mtp has to move forward already?
17:43 < achow101> rather force mtp to keep up with realtime instead of only moving forward as little as possible
17:44 < _aj_> consensus cleanup requires the first block of each period to not be more than 600s prior to the ntime of the last block of the prior period, iirc
17:45 < achow101> that sounds right
17:45 < _aj_> combined with difficulty adjustment it prevents it from moving forward as little as possible
17:45 < achow101> but the mtp on that first block could still be two weeks behind
17:45 < achow101> so the second block could go back to the one second forward time?
17:46 < _aj_> [T-2weeks .. T]  <-- one retarget period
17:46 < _aj_> next block has to be >= T-600
17:47 < achow101> block after could be T-2 weeks + 1 sec
17:47 < achow101> I think?
17:47 < _aj_> no
17:47 < achow101> how so?
17:47 < _aj_> oh, if you minimise mtp?
17:47 < achow101> yes
17:47 < _aj_> it'd be T-2 weeks + 2015 seconds maybe
17:48 < achow101> what I mean is that mtp can still be minimized
17:48 < _aj_> So [T-2weeks .. T-2weeks + 2015 T] [T-600 T-2weeks+2016 ..]
17:49 < achow101> yeah
17:49 < _aj_> yeah
17:49 < _aj_> doesn't buy you a fix for the nTime wrap around though
17:50 < _aj_> you'd need >50% hashpower doing it to avoid mtp getting bumped by people who just set nTime to real time
17:50 < achow101> right
17:50 < achow101> just thinking about the miners blocking a fork that uses mtp for start time
17:51 < _aj_> it'd break anyone using time-based nlocktime too
17:52 < achow101> right
17:52 < achow101> I think the obvious solution is to require T-600 for the first 6 blocks of the retarget period
17:57 < _aj_> maybe T-7200 to cope with a block being 2h ahead of real time?
17:58 < _aj_> or... could just do signalling transitions based on ntime rather than mtp?
17:59 < achow101> it seems like making mtp keep up has other benefits too, like letting nLockTime work
18:14 < _aj_> hmm, changing consensus rules to make signalling work better just feels backwards; making nlocktime work better's more plausible
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