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03:22 < real_or_random> yep, so if you want to perform 1000 signature sessions, you need to exchange 1000 nonces. there's no other way
03:23 < real_or_random> i.e., 
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03:24 < real_or_random> 4000 nonces (for each signature session, both parties need to send two nonces)
03:26 < real_or_random> You can obviously pipeline: you exchange nonces for the first signing session when exchanging the keys. When you run the first session,  you exchange nonces for the second session in parallel   
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03:28 < real_or_random> (And you totally can't let the other party derive nonces for you using some seed or similar.) 
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06:21 < nickler_> Fwiw, MuSig2 doesn't need broadcast comms. For example, given signers A, B and C. A and B can send their 2*2 nonces to C, who aggregates them with his own nonces. This results in 2 nonces that C can send back to A and C.
06:22 < nickler_> Now they can sign using the untrusted aggregate nonce without having seen each others nonces. This is secure even if C misbehaves.
06:56 < harding> real_or_random, nickler_: thanks.
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07:02 < waxwing> huh, interesting discussion. yes any type of publically calculable derivation, whatever algo, that allows the external party to get the next nonce means that the relation between the nonces is known hence broken.
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07:03 < waxwing> i suppose hashing from curve point to curve point counts as publically calculable derivation but unfortunately then even the signer doesn't know the nonce :)
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07:41 < roconnor> waxwing: unless DLog is broken ;)
07:56 < real_or_random> hehe
07:58 < real_or_random> I think, there are still some thoughts necessary to come up with good workflow in various scenarios (lightning, local multisig with hw wallets, etc).     
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07:59 < real_or_random> and we're happy to discuss this :)
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14:50 < bombingmiami> belcher is a liar piece of shit is that right belcher? He got 50.000 dollars from hrf.org to attack me and my organization. I had edit privileges on Bitcoin Wiki since 2015 with the username "humanrightsfoundation" https://web.archive.org/web/20151031001911/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1025908.40. On 2020 Jun belcher was attacked me and
14:50 < bombingmiami> my organization publicly, calling me a scammer and accusing me with all kinds of stuff here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Donation-accepting_organizations_and_projects#Page_is_filled_with_scam than when I confronted him, he deleted and redirected the entire page for his own. 6 months before belcher attacked me after that get paid by hrf.org, the
14:50 < bombingmiami> so called hrf on November 2019 was catched by WikiPedia admins of propaganda where they did the exact same thing, they paid PR firm to create a WikiPedia page for one of they employee who involved in the Bolivian massacres, here is the WikiPedia page which was deleted for propaganda:
14:50 < bombingmiami> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jhanisse_V._Daza 
14:50 < bombingmiami> I going to murder belcher for this
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18:23 < fluffypony> well that escalated
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22:08 < robertspigler> bombingmiami: fuck off
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