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10:35 < muhblockchain> for privacy, are there any technologies that have larger anonymity set than coinjoin+bulletproofs would have?  e.g. not just "N people mix - so anonset after this operation is N", but perhaps something like "any of the existing UTXOs, of course limited by the maximum amount of money - so that some low value UTXOs are not set for large payment"?
10:36 < muhblockchain> so privacy classes would be:  coin-join (and participants should have equal amounts, or otherwise it limits set) ; coin-join + BPs ; ...?... ; magical operation that is like a CJ between all UTXOs at once
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10:54 < waxwing> muhblockchain, anything in which the semantics is not on-chain, at least notionally, could have a large anon set: coinswaps of various types; off-chain transactions; even certain types of coinjoin (see payjoin) make the concept of a clearly-defined anon set very problematic, at the least.
10:55 < waxwing> sometimes that doesn't work out as you'd like in practice, today, e.g. lightning channel opens/closes might have a large anon set in future (taproot) but currently they form the bulk of 2-2 p2wsh on-chain (not even mentioning non cooperative closure)
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11:39 < andytoshi> also zcash-style mixing
11:39 < andytoshi> or monero, in principle, if they increased the mixin ratio from 11 to 11 million :P
11:44 < real_or_random> muhblockchain: yeah, I think you're asking exactly for zerocash
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13:08 < waxwing> well even in a zerocash based system there is room to argue about anonymity set based on timing correlations of events (on network). don't you need like a dc-net or mixnet type setup to really claim anon-set=all participants (i.e. rounds, every participant always does the same thing to outside observers).
13:08 < waxwing> also i have a vague memory that there is some non-obvious information leakage potential in a zerocash utxo system, i forget though ...
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15:55 < instagibbs> yes time correlations are still plausible, recent spends correlate with recent spends, I am not aware of any txo-specific weaknesses however(except for historical bugs that leaked data on the network)
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