--- Log opened Sun Oct 24 00:00:12 2021 00:43 < tromp> that led ppl to choose terrible PoWs like scrypt, X11, cryptoknight, randomX 00:44 < tromp> good PoW is simple and trivial to verify, where those are opposite 01:02 < plankster> and most of those algos have ASICs for em now anyway :3 01:04 < plankster> idk if this is a widely held opinion or not, but it seems to me that having ASIC miners for a coin actually gives the coin staying power 01:04 < plankster> once that much capital has been expended in the design and production process, folks cant afford to let the coin die or their investment becomes worthless 01:06 < plankster> gets more complicated when you take into account multiple coins using the same algo, and things like merge mining 01:08 < plankster> from what ive seen, unless a alt becomes merge mine capable then itll die off, because miners naturally want to mine the most valuable coin using any given algo 01:08 < plankster> sorry im bored 01:41 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:52 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:08 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:12 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:55 -!- smartin [~Icedove@88.135.18.171] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:17 -!- deusexbeer [~hedeo@37-146-236-2.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:25 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:26 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:36 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 06:36 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:13 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:33 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:36 -!- Guest93 [~Guest93@199.58.83.9] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:37 < Guest93> luke-jr can you give me your email and PGP fingerprint for verification of the info you jave on mastodon? 08:39 < Guest93> Is luke-jr who owns dashjr.org ? 08:44 -!- Guest93 [~Guest93@199.58.83.9] has quit [K-Lined] 08:47 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:52 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:09 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:18 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:37 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:09 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:20 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:33 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:38 -!- zegalch [~zegalch@178.128.75.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38 -!- zegalch [~zegalch@178.128.75.133] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:04 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:19 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:54 -!- jesseposner [~jesse@c-24-5-105-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04 -!- jesseposner [~jesse@c-24-5-105-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:06 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:17 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@ircb.bluematt.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:21 -!- smartin [~Icedove@88.135.18.171] has quit [Quit: smartin] 13:23 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:33 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@ircb.bluematt.me] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:40 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:40 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@ircb.bluematt.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:48 -!- BlueMatt [~BlueMatt@ircb.bluematt.me] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:50 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:51 -!- jesseposner [~jesse@c-24-5-105-39.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:01 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:03 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:12 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:17 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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19:23 -!- db [uid18678@id-18678.helmsley.irccloud.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:24 -!- db [uid18678@helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:40 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:52 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53 -!- belcher [~belcher@user/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:53 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:00 -!- plankster_ [~plankster@user/plankers] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:00 -!- plankster [~plankster@user/plankers] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:07 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:09 -!- plankster [~plankster@user/plankers] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:09 -!- plankster_ [~plankster@user/plankers] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27 < yanmaani> db, tromp: yeah but that's a whole new thing 20:27 < yanmaani> I mean using *just* AES 20:27 < yanmaani> like aes_ctr(blockhash, nonce) == 0x00000000..... 20:29 -!- db [uid18678@helmsley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Updating details, brb] 20:29 -!- db [uid18678@id-18678.helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:33 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:39 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:34 -!- CrashTestDummy3 [~CrashTest@ool-ad02813b.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:38 -!- CrashTestDummy2 [~CrashTest@ool-ad02813b.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:00 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: uasf_, windsok, murrayn, edouard[m], blkncd, fluffypony, neha 22:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: edouard[m] 22:00 -!- blkncd [sid505676@id-505676.helmsley.irccloud.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:00 -!- Netsplit over, joins: windsok 22:01 -!- nathanael [~nathanael@user/nathanael] has quit [Quit: connection reset by purr] 22:01 -!- uasf [~uasf@2604:a880:2:d0::1bda:1001] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:02 -!- murrayn [~murray@static.38.4.181.135.clients.your-server.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:02 -!- nathanael [~nathanael@user/nathanael] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:09 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@user/fluffypony] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:02 -!- murrayn [~murray@static.38.4.181.135.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Changing host] 23:02 -!- murrayn [~murray@user/murrayn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@71pc74.sshunet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:28 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb1+bionic2 - https://znc.in] 23:28 -!- morcos_ [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:28 -!- morcos_ is now known as morcos 23:38 -!- freesprung [~freesprun@user/freesprung] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:54 -!- freesprung [~freesprun@user/freesprung] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:58 < tromp> yanmaani: that avoids the downsides i mentioned but is still not ideal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function#Hash_functions_based_on_block_ciphers and CPU mining will be as useless as it is for Bitcoin's SHA256 --- Log closed Mon Oct 25 00:00:13 2021