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05:54 < roconnor> There are prehaps some VERY hacky things you could do, like alternate between taproot (pretending it has OP_CAT for the moment) and segwit V0: storing the mutable in the segwitV0 output, which has a covenent back to pay back to the identical taproot address with the main logic that reaches back through its prevout to read the state from the segwit v0 transaction.
05:55 < roconnor> I'm kinda doubtful that it could be made to work, but there seems be some room at a glance that makes it plausible.
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09:23 < jeremyrubin> roconnor: oh dear
09:25 < jeremyrubin> yeah i think you might even be able to skip the v0, just get the txn on the stack, get the output hash, expand it to the txn, get the output script, and then use that
09:25 < jeremyrubin> so you can recruse, but you have to use the same exact script
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11:01 < andytoshi> roconnor: lol! derp. i'll retry with the correct modulus
11:02 < andytoshi> jeremyrubin: roconnor: i think you can avoid alternating by having a segwit output and a taproot output that you are required to spend simultaneously ... at least, there is some hack like this which i was going to use for my yet-unpublished "OP_CAT part 3" blog post
11:02 < andytoshi> and this is why it's still not published :P it is such a horrible PITA to work through the details of this
11:03 < andytoshi> roconnor: ...i'm looking at my source code and I do indeed have the 31,5,3,28,0,31,31,31... modulus
11:07 < andytoshi> and `git log --all -S '12 12 12'` is empty, which i _think_ is the correct way to search to see whether any git commit in my repo has the wrong polymodulus that you quoted
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11:22 < roconnor> andytoshi: oh I think then I think it must have been me pretending to copy your work and getting it wrong.
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11:41 < andytoshi> :)
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11:46 < roconnor> I'm so far unable to get a sensable residue from "2ANDYS5GS8YDXGMLUW34LEN0PRDAK9GLLWZJCXRKYRHUC"
11:49 < roconnor> I've tried a variety of generators and prefixes.
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12:10 < andytoshi> roconnor: ok, sorry, i'll try to find the worksheet and redo it
12:10 < andytoshi> or send you a photo of it or something
12:11 < roconnor> ya maybe a photo.  It's also not that important.
12:12 < andytoshi> sent you a photo on signal (i don't have a good way to upload it publicly right now but you're welcome to if want)
12:12 < andytoshi> gotta go downstairs for thanksgiving stuff, won't be able to work on this today probably
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12:13 < andytoshi> the most interesting thing would be if my precomputation was wrong i think.. it's pretty straightforward though, i just did the HRP and then stuck 13 Qs onto that and did polymod
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12:13 < andytoshi> will also send you a pic of the checksum worksheet so you can double-check that we're using the same code
12:15 < roconnor> got it
12:17 < roconnor> oh it is the LLL generator.
12:21 < roconnor> oh LLL is the bech32 version of VVV. got it.
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13:38 < sipa> roconnor, andytoshi: how many deg=13 len=93 BCH generators did i give you before? because i find 930 now
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13:39 < sipa> in 93 equivalence classes (iirc i only had 3 before)
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15:27 < roconnor> sipa: 840
15:46 < sipa> hmm!
15:59 < sipa> 930 / 93 makes a lot more sense
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15:59 < sipa> because the equivalence classes i know about result in either 5 or 10 aliases for every generator
15:59 < sipa> (over GF(32))
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17:55 < roconnor> you can compare your two lists.
17:55 < sipa> i can tell you in advance they will not be equal
18:10 < roconnor> If one is not a subset of the other,  that will be a bit unfortunate.
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18:19 < JBrittSteele> have a nice one
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23:22 < meshcollider> andytoshi, roconnor: do you mind explaining what you mean by the checksum and SSS "commuting"? Do you mean a valid checksum on the shares necessarily gives a valid checksum on the secret when reconstructed (and vice versa)?
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