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I can't find that article anymore, is it gone or am I failing at searching? (more likely) 13:45 < ademan[m]> NOT https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Funding_network_security#Assurance_Contracts 13:51 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:00 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 < roconnor> jeremyrubin: is GetScriptSigsSHA256 described in BIP-119? I can't seem to find it. 14:01 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:07 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:13 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:19 < jeremyrubin> roconnor: good point, it ought to be 14:20 < roconnor> jeremyrubin: also when you say "... committing to this number makes it easier to construct DefaultCheckTemplateVerifyHash from script." what do you mean by constructing X from script? 14:22 < jeremyrubin> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/2c3f8994c1a5fc97a82f1863ae1161b28b29e0f5/src/script/interpreter.cpp#L1444 14:23 < jeremyrubin> note that because CScript is a vector, the serialization will include the length prefix 14:23 < jeremyrubin> so there's no ambiguity of scriptsig start/end 14:23 < roconnor> heh. you know what I'm asking about. :) 14:24 < jeremyrubin> The number commitment is helpful because i might want to write a covenant with CAT + CTV where i restrict the number of input, but specific "don't care" for the sequences 14:24 < roconnor> gotcha. 14:26 < jeremyrubin> for example, if i wanted CTV with 1 input but any lock time selected by some additional signer (signer can sign locktime, CTV enforces all other TXN details) 14:26 < jeremyrubin> if i had to restrict only 1 input i'd have to do OP_SIZE on the unhashed seq vector, and then do it 14:27 < jeremyrubin> i'd also hit on an issue with max stack size of 520 bytes meaning no more than 130 inputs I guess? 14:27 < jeremyrubin> (unless maybe shastream instead of cat!) 14:27 < jeremyrubin> but by having input count different from sequences hash, i can do it a bit nicer 14:28 < jeremyrubin> ALSO: sequences hash is already computed in the caches, so i reused it :) 14:29 < jeremyrubin> roconnor: these are good questions; if you would like to patch them i would accept, otherwise i can do it myself. 14:29 < jeremyrubin> always good to have a spec be less ambiguous 14:30 < jeremyrubin> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/2c3f8994c1a5fc97a82f1863ae1161b28b29e0f5/test/functional/test_framework/messages.py#L558 14:30 < jeremyrubin> probably just a matter of adding this function into the BIP -- which is even better than the C++ kinda, but sadly doesn't have any DoS protections since you recompute from scratch 14:30 < roconnor> I think you will need to do it yourself if you want these patches done. 14:31 < jeremyrubin> roconnor: i don't mind. I always offer because sometimes people are fussy about getting 'credit' 14:32 < jeremyrubin> was the main concern you had around hash ambiguity w/ the seq vec? 14:33 < roconnor> well also I was wondering about the implicit commtiment to the number of inputs, but that is there with the sequence numbers as well anyways. 14:33 < jeremyrubin> ah, yeah 14:33 < jeremyrubin> I think you'll recall I added those based on your feedback from summer 2019 i think 14:34 < jeremyrubin> previously i said that CTV was restricted to only be with a single input 14:34 < jeremyrubin> theres a family of choices one could make around >1 input, i felt this was a decent choice, but there are some pro/cons of it. 14:36 < jeremyrubin> I'm not particularly attached to any specifics of the behavior, but i mostly feel that the common paradigm will be to do anchor outputs as opposed to flexible inputs. 14:36 < jeremyrubin> I also beleive that we'll add an opcode to taproot for OP_ANNEX_TIMELOCKS which require that seqeunce be 0 maybe 14:37 < roconnor> I have no objections to your choice of design regarding this point. 14:37 < jeremyrubin> but that's more speculative -- at the point we *know* exactly what these future things will be, we can tap on a version byte to CTV and tweak the commitment structure and make different choices if needed 14:38 < jeremyrubin> but it's sorta pascal's wagerian, can't exactly design for what's not been conceived 14:38 < jeremyrubin> roconnor: good to know :) 14:41 < jeremyrubin> if i had to make a change, fwiw, it would be to define maybe like <10 template hash variants that are guaranteed to not collide (as the current two are not able to), and then always compute all 10 and see if the hash provided matches. That way we could give users a choice of a couple different setups w/o adding a version byte. But ultimately i felt 14:41 < jeremyrubin> it was better to pick one choice that seemed reasonable and focus on that, and leave more functionality up to future work. 14:43 < jeremyrubin> ok i'm going to PR the python in, thanks for the suggestion 14:51 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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This behaviour is preserved when SIGHASH_ANYPREVOUT is used, but not when SIGHASH_ANYPREVOUTANYSCRIPT is used." is already there? 17:47 < _aj_> roconnor: the use of "input" in that point and "output" in the prior one seems confusing to me though... 17:54 < _aj_> what's the clearest/least jargony way of referring to "CTxIn" and the "CTxOut" you get by looking up CTxIn.prevout? 17:55 < roconnor> "If SIGHASH_ANYPREVOUTANYSCRIPT is set, the digest is calculated as if SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY was set, except outpoint, scriptPubKey and tapleaf_hash are not included in the digest." 17:55 < roconnor> I think that amount should also be in that list, no? 17:59 < _aj_> yep! 18:00 < roconnor> okay. 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