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06:22 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:23 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:23 < _aj_> roconnor: i think that's correct; it's the "common case of a PayToBareDefaultCheckTemplateVerifyHash" 06:24 < roconnor> Right, and since the scriptsigs are covered by the hash, it would typically be forced to be empty. 06:34 < _aj_> roconnor: malleable only if you have a sha256 collision, since either you have an empty scriptSig and put up to 87 bytes into the hash, or it's a non-empty scriptSig and you put at least 107 bytes into the hash. i think 06:50 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:04 -!- yanmaani1 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04 -!- yanmaani1 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:05 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:06 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:15 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:21 -!- yanmaani1 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:24 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:27 < jeremyrubin> That sounds correct roconnor 07:27 < jeremyrubin> Note that you could have stuff in your scriptsigs, just not signatures 07:29 < jeremyrubin> But you can commit to the signatures in other inputs not your own. 07:30 < jeremyrubin> This has two sort of applications: 1) with legacy you can commit to specific coins being co spent with you ctv program if they've pre signed the co spend. 2) using p2sh segwit, you can commit to specific keys at other inputs but not which coin. 07:30 < roconnor> right. By "it would be typically forced to be empty" I mean the scriptsig for the input that is redeeming the BareCTV output. 07:31 < jeremyrubin> You could imagine using this for some sort of vault thing 07:31 < jeremyrubin> It's not required to be empty, just has to be known at time of hash creation 07:31 < roconnor> I mean, you could also force it to be a non-empty specific value if you want to force a non-standard redeem. 07:31 < jeremyrubin> Ah yes 07:32 < jeremyrubin> For standardness rule of the basic one I think I said it has to be empty 07:32 < roconnor> I suppose if there is some sort of pre-image reveal application, that standardness rule could be relaxed a bit. 07:32 < jeremyrubin> But there are some nice applications of non empty, eg if I wanted to specify some keys I wanted to sign with it 07:33 < jeremyrubin> But then I can't sign 07:34 < jeremyrubin> So I'm not quite sure you can do more than preimage reveal. 07:35 < jeremyrubin> Maybe if CISA opcodes were added to bare you could add the sigs to be resolved in a witness somewhere 07:49 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:20 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:29 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:30 -!- yanmaani [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:32 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:39 -!- willcl_ark [~willcl-ar@user/willcl-ark/x-8282106] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 08:40 -!- willcl_ark [~willcl-ar@user/willcl-ark/x-8282106] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:58 -!- shesek [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:15 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:22 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:28 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:29 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:29 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@user/nanotube] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 11:45 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:59 -!- csd [~csd@c-73-22-175-211.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:00 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:09 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:09 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:16 -!- Guest23 [~Guest23@82.112.162.235] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:17 < Guest23> hi can someone ehlp? 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