--- Log opened Tue Apr 19 00:00:59 2022 00:19 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:31 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:35 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:51 -!- jonatack [jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:58 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:47 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:57 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:09 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:21 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:23 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:36 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:18 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:19 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:26 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:28 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:36 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:39 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:47 -!- plankster [~plankster@user/plankers] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 03:47 -!- plankster [~plankster@user/plankers] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:06 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:39 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 07:19 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:40 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:07 -!- orville [~orville@50-242-118-141-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:12 < instagibbs> > if you would like to talk to those same folks, you can do that 100% 08:12 < instagibbs> would be helpful to see this publicly fwiw 08:18 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb1+bionic2 - https://znc.in] 08:19 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 < jeremyrubin> https://utxos.org/signals 08:20 < instagibbs> I'm not going to click all the links hoping to find it 08:21 < jeremyrubin> that's the list of people you could talk to, i'm not sure they have all a blog post 08:22 < jeremyrubin> here's an example https://twitter.com/MuunWallet/status/1478159869001625601 08:25 < instagibbs> yes, that's for a more interesting(in my estimation) use-case. 09:11 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:14 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 -!- gribble [~gribble@bitcoin/bot/gribble] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23 -!- gribble [~gribble@bitcoin/bot/gribble] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:30 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:32 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:34 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:35 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@user/dgenr8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38 -!- dgenr8 [~dgenr8@user/dgenr8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:38 -!- deusexbeer [~hedeo@37-146-227-150.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:01 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:09 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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If you've interest in that discussion please join. A a prep text, please see 11:00 < jeremyrubin> https://rubin.io/bitcoin/2022/04/17/next-steps-bip119/ 11:02 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 13:42 -!- shesek_ [~shesek@user/shesek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:54 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:54 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:59 < roconnor> with the help of Eric, I think I have some (possibly incorrect) understanding of how bare CTV is used in james's vault @ https://github.com/jamesob/simple-ctv-vault/blob/7dd6c4ca25debb2140cdefb79b302c65d1b24937/main.py#L217 14:00 < roconnor> what's interesting is that, IIUC, the cold key is always available to move funds immediately. 14:01 < roconnor> so the CTV could be combined inside taproot with the cold key as the taproot key. 14:01 < jeremyrubin> yep! 14:01 < roconnor> as an alternative design. 14:01 < jeremyrubin> when i implemented jamesob vault in Sapio that's how i do it 14:01 < roconnor> that would save needing the CTV in case the cold key is used. 14:02 < jeremyrubin> https://github.com/sapio-lang/sapio/blob/master/plugin-example/jamesob-vault/src/plugin.rs 14:02 < roconnor> And then it become a matter of expected costs when weighing the two designs. 14:02 < jeremyrubin> +1 14:02 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02 < jeremyrubin> i think where it becomes unclear is that vaults are largely not one-size-fits-all 14:02 < roconnor> A somewhat interesting question is at what probability does the cross over happen between the two designs. 14:02 < jeremyrubin> so different designs that different vendors want will have different properties 14:03 < jeremyrubin> e.g., it's reasonable the cold key might be a non-musig multisig 14:03 < jeremyrubin> (musig has some tradeoffs around statefullness iiuc) 14:03 < jeremyrubin> so if that's the case, maybe you can't use the top keypath? 14:04 < roconnor> I don't know about musig tradeoff, but, of course, musig isn't a threshold signature, which is probably unsuitable for many people. 14:04 < jeremyrubin> +1 14:04 < jeremyrubin> so my PoV is 'let the market decide', but maybe we could make a very strong argument that except under weird circumstances it is better to be in Tr 14:04 < roconnor> then it is frost that has some statefullness tradeoffs ... plus issues with frost maybe or maybe not yet existing. 14:04 < jeremyrubin> but i just dont have a good intuition around what end users will want, beyond wanting something like ctv 14:05 < jeremyrubin> there will likely be other reasons to prefer Tr, like other new opcodes 14:06 < roconnor> I don't disagree with you but someone (probably not me) could argue that we'd prefer the taproot based vault because it increases the anonymity pool of ... um ... unspent UTXOs. 14:06 < roconnor> Sorry I tried, I can't make this argument. 14:07 < roconnor> as soon as you spend with CTV path you are no longer part of the anonymity set. 14:15 < jeremyrubin> if you need to blind that you are paying into a vault from e.g. an exchange service, taproot helps 14:15 < jeremyrubin> but not more than e.g. segwit v0 14:17 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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I mean, I'm just trying to question the cost savings of the bare CTV in the vault example. 14:31 < roconnor> And there certainly are some constraints on when there is a cost-savings. 14:34 < jeremyrubin> yes absolutely 14:35 < jeremyrubin> but in theory if it was a huge cost savings and everyone wanted it, we'd one day add an address for it 14:35 < jeremyrubin> i dont see why we wouldnt 14:35 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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This is the scriptsig is incorporated into the CTV hash, and in p2sh the redeem script appears in the scriptsig which contains the CTV hash itelf. 19:50 < roconnor> *This is because 19:59 < _aj_> roconnor: "impossible" sounds right, yep 20:00 < roconnor> I haven't checked the code to see if it is also illegal. 20:00 < roconnor> but presumably it is simpler to leave it at impossible. 20:01 < _aj_> huh? does that also mean p2sh-p2wsh is impossible? 20:03 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:03 < roconnor> The redeem script hash appears in the script sig. So that should make many uses of CTV impossible. 20:03 < roconnor> but p2sh-p2wsh can still take the hash value from the witness stack. 20:03 < _aj_> oh the scriptSig hash is for all the scriptSigs, not just this input's - that's what was confusing me 20:04 < roconnor> so you should be able to make it execute. 20:04 < roconnor> but perhaps not useful. 20:04 < _aj_> if you could build up the hash for CTV it could be useful presumably 20:05 < roconnor> yep. 20:06 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:27 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@user/nanotube] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:36 -!- PaperSword [~PaperSwor@50.126.96.22] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:11 -!- solocshaw [~Thunderbi@gateway/vpn/pia/solocshaw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:32 < jeremyrubin> Yes the P2SH variants should be impossible I think, p2sh-P2WSH should be able to do something with it but probably not anything amazing 21:34 < jeremyrubin> However, you can still use the opcodes as a NOP with a larger it smaller argument if we do something in the future 21:34 < jeremyrubin> I figured it didn't make sense to have a weird non symmetry in the interpreter semantics 21:35 < jeremyrubin> But if someone felt particularly strongly we could keep it undefined entirely in those contexts with a little work 22:13 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:17 -!- Common [~Common@096-033-221-075.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:43 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:54 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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