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ZZZzzz…] 05:52 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:04 -!- antonleviathan [~antonlevi@cpe08a7c0b41e4e-cm08a7c0b41e4c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:52 < instagibbs> Seems unambiguous, im sure wording can always be improved 07:53 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48 -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:50 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:11 -!- antonleviathan [~antonlevi@cpe08a7c0b41e4e-cm08a7c0b41e4c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:19 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:31 -!- antonleviathan [~antonlevi@ec2-3-99-96-13.ca-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:06 < jeremyrubin> anyone able to weight in here on peter todd's BIP feedback? i'm not sure if he's just trolling or if there is a particular issue https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1272#issuecomment-1117497856 10:06 < jeremyrubin> "BIP-340,342, and 342 are obviously not specification BIPs as they're missing the detail required to actually specify behavior. They outline intentions: the actual specification is, as always, the code. You're trying to do a specification BIP and failing because you're leaving out details." 10:07 < jeremyrubin> I'm not trying to do any particular flavour of BIP, just 'enough' 10:22 -!- yashraj [yashraj@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/yashraj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:40 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 15:04 -!- antonleviathan [~antonlevi@ec2-3-99-96-13.ca-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:13 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:17 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:30 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:43 < roasbeef> jeremyrubin: safe to ignore those comments imo, totally incorrect that bip 340-342 aren't specification BIPs, I mean there's literally a Specification top level header lol 15:44 < roasbeef> I do think 119 should have less c++ isms as part of its main descrption, some of the older softfork bips were like that (literal fragment of c++ code), but bip 340-342 start to move away from that, which is also great for other implementors like myself 15:47 -!- djb27__ [~djb27@user/djb27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:02 < sipa> This seems like nonsensical to me. Sure, of course the actual consensus rules are solely defined by what code ends up being adopted by nodes, but BIPs 340-342 certainly intend to specify the proposed rules unambiguously. 16:04 < sipa> As for the best way to do so, I don't know. For simple rule changes, I think replicating code changes in a BIP directly makes sense, if accompagnied with explanations. But it's far from the only way, and for BIP 340-342 I think the approach used is far more understandable. 16:06 < sipa> To be clear, this is a criticism on Peter Todd's comments. I'm not commenting on any actual consensus change proposal. 16:07 -!- sipa [~sipa@user/sipa] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 16:23 < jeremyrubin> roasbeef: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1309 do you feel like this strikes the right balance? 16:24 < jeremyrubin> Or would you prefer more as janoctus preferred 16:29 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:32 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:47 -!- antonleviathan [~antonlevi@ec2-3-99-96-13.ca-central-1.compute.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:28 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:02 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:07 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:32 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33 -!- dllud [~dllud@136.138.62.94.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:47 -!- tromp [~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Thu May 05 00:00:14 2022