--- Log opened Thu May 26 00:00:34 2022 00:18 -!- z9z0b3t1c [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:22 -!- z9z0b3t1_ [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:52 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:37 -!- jtraub91 [~Jason@098-147-176-043.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:50 -!- Aaronvan_ [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:05 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:12 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:56 -!- Common [~Common@096-033-221-075.res.spectrum.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:59 -!- Common_ [~Common@096-033-221-075.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:11 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:32 -!- Common [~Common@096-033-221-075.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35 -!- davidbakin [~david-bak@c-174-61-163-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:35 -!- z9z0b3t1_ [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:35 -!- david-bakin [~david-bak@c-174-61-163-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:39 -!- z9z0b3t1c [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:53 -!- kykrotov [~berem@94.25.173.23] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:55 -!- z9z0b3t1c [~z9z0b3t1c@145.224.65.211] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:58 -!- z9z0b3t1_ [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:16 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 07:00 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:13 -!- yanmaani3 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14 -!- yanmaani3 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:39 -!- kykrotov [~berem@94.25.173.23] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 07:43 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has left #bitcoin-wizards [Closing Window] 07:50 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:54 -!- ryan-c [ryan-c@znc.rya.nc] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:57 -!- ryan-c [~ryanc@znc.rya.nc] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:21 -!- jesseposner [~jesse@user/jesseposner] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 09:21 -!- jesseposner [~jesse@user/jesseposner] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:26 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:18 -!- jtraub91 [~Jason@098-147-176-043.res.spectrum.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:22 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:30 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:52 -!- z9z0b3t1c [~z9z0b3t1c@145.224.65.211] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53 -!- z9z0b3t1c [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:57 < jamesob> has anyone explored tx pinning on the basis of RBF rule #5? has this been written about somewhere? 14:16 < BlueMatt[m]> dunno about written about it, but, yes, I think its def an easy way pin 14:18 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:52 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:04 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:17 -!- jtraub91 is now known as bitcoinboi 15:23 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24 -!- CryptoDavid [uid14990@id-14990.uxbridge.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 15:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:57 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:28 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:37 -!- solocshaw [~Thunderbi@gateway/vpn/pia/solocshaw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:29 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39 < ariard> so I would say RBF rule #5 might become a concern with deployment of package relay where one (honest) multi-parent-one-child package 17:39 < ariard> try to replace multiple malicious, unrelated package where a branch of junk childs have been attached by the counterparty on each of them 17:40 < ariard> if your counterparty is able to predict how you're going to aggregate and bundle commitment txns 17:40 < ariard> but from memory, pinning RBF rule #5 against _one_ LN commitment_tx is not concerning 17:49 -!- z9z0b3t1_ [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:52 -!- z9z0b3t1c [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:08 < jamesob> ariard: why isn't it concern with a commitment_tx? If an adversary can hang a single transaction off of one they want to pin, they can then create 99 low fee-rate children off of that one output 18:13 < jamesob> oh no wait I'm ignoring the 25 descendant limit 19:33 -!- solocshaw [~Thunderbi@gateway/vpn/pia/solocshaw] has quit [Quit: solocshaw] 20:08 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:00 -!- z9z0b3t1c [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:03 -!- z9z0b3t1_ [z9z0b3t1c@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/z9z0b3t1c] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:41 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Fri May 27 00:00:35 2022