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Heck I guess even just SHA256 should be enough? 07:54 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 08:05 < Ademan> I did come up with an alternative version of the non-penalty version that just requires computing N states instead of ~N^2, unfortunately it does not offer the same savings to penalty, but it should be a solid improvement over the current penalty scheme (but I want to see this through before I fully describe and implement the new version) 08:06 < Ademan> 2^N * 08:16 < _aj_> what's N? 08:19 < instagibbs> number of chan participants, if same as prior convo 08:22 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:22 < _aj_> ah, yeah; penalty, eltoo, multiparty and lack of tx introspection seems like a non-starter to me 08:38 < Ademan> I'd at least like to know how bad it is heh 09:11 -!- narodnik2 [~narodnik@2a02:aa13:8342:1400:7fc5:c1e8:344:15d1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:13 -!- narodnik2 [~narodnik@31-10-163-40.cgn.dynamic.upc.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:17 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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