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| gmaxwell | Sounds like the description "atomic cross chain transactions" has now been taken by yet another altcoin pumper :( http://cointelegraph.com/news/112812/atomic-a-decentralized-ledger-for-all-blockchain-based-technology (just a heads up in case you talk about them and encounter confusion) | 00:25 |
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| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, lol @ obviously fake name | 00:26 |
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| @gwillen | gmaxwell: are they actually doing things, or are they just mkaing up words | 00:32 |
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| @gwillen | because like ... wtf @ about half of that | 00:32 |
| gmaxwell | certantly not doing much based on that, but enough that it's pressing it up. oh well. | 00:35 |
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| dgenr8 | the code sergio posted doesn't actually simulate a random walk. it's actually just an overly complex way of computing the value of .3/.7 | 07:13 |
| helo | heh | 07:18 |
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| cryptokeeper | Happy 6 Year Anniversary to the digital currency Bitcoin & the creator - Satoshi Nakamoto! On the day of Halloween. Spo0ky. | 10:03 |
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| fluffypony | cryptokeeper: it's the 3rd of January already? | 10:33 |
| fluffypony | wow time flies, here I thought it was October | 10:33 |
| justanotheruser | fluffypony: whitepaper release was today | 10:33 |
| fluffypony | justanotheruser: I know, I was being facetious ;) | 10:33 |
| Luke-Jr | cryptokeeper: you misspelled All Hallows' Eve :P | 10:36 |
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| cryptokeeper | fluffypony; oct 31 was the date the bitcoin whitepaper got published | 10:49 |
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| andytoshi | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=685269.0 | 11:20 |
| andytoshi | "I have some more questions if you don't mind, because I'm still convinced a messaging scheme like this could be made very secure: | 11:20 |
| andytoshi | gaaa! | 11:20 |
| helo | interesting scheme | 11:21 |
| e4xit | ? | 11:21 |
| justanotheruser | meh, just wait for him to try it then if its insecure you can point out the problems concretely rather than abstractly | 11:21 |
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| andytoshi | well, that thread is actually a couple months old (was bumped recently by an unrelated party). but it's frustrating to always see people saying "welll i think i can patch this" instead of stepping back and saying "i need to prove a proper security property that does not depend on specific usecases being avoided" | 11:23 |
| andytoshi | justanotheruser: gmax pointed out a concrete problem, hence the "i'm still convinced it could be made secure" comment | 11:23 |
| justanotheruser | he will modify it quite a bit to avoid that problem which means he will make a new set of problems that require more work by smarter people to find problems with | 11:24 |
| gmaxwell | Yea, the resulting property is "security against review" | 11:29 |
| andytoshi | i'm posting a reply that talks about (a) mixing cryptosystems, (b) using standard/general security properties | 11:30 |
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| andytoshi | done | 11:48 |
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| Taek | Proof of Gateway? lol | 12:16 |
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| BlueMatt | is anyone gonna be at money2020? | 15:08 |
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| gandalf | are there any limits to cross chain trading? | 17:00 |
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| justanotheruser | gandalf: you mean atomic swaps? theres some sidechain rules here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Atomic_cross-chain_trading#Opcodes_and_altchain_special_rules | 17:05 |
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| gandalf | are there time limitations to two way atomic swapping? | 17:06 |
| justanotheruser | if you want it to be secure | 17:06 |
| gandalf | so 10 minutes? =( | 17:08 |
| gandalf | i saw this post about a blocknet | 17:08 |
| gandalf | someone trying to tokenize this system | 17:09 |
| justanotheruser | lol 10 minutes | 17:09 |
| justanotheruser | IIRC 2 days was proposed | 17:09 |
| gandalf | -_- | 17:09 |
| gandalf | does it make sense for an OT voting pool to have a mini blockchain? | 17:10 |
| justanotheruser | gandalf: what? Do you want coins disappearing when a large reorg happens? | 17:10 |
| gandalf | not at all | 17:10 |
| justanotheruser | gandalf: I'm not sure a blockchain is the best datastructure when you have a central authority se | 17:11 |
| justanotheruser | set | 17:11 |
| gandalf | what do you mean central authority i thought voting pools would be decentralized as well | 17:11 |
| gandalf | as in anyone could host them | 17:11 |
| justanotheruser | gandalf: whatever, you want to call it, it is a set of authorities that control funds and I don't think a blockchain is a necessary datastructure. You don't need people to catch up and validate that all their actions were valid or invalid. | 17:13 |
| gandalf | well what if people require trust from them? like refunds? | 17:14 |
| gandalf | meh never mind i guess thsoe would be stored in bitcoin's blockchain | 17:15 |
| justanotheruser | yep. | 17:15 |
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| justanotheruser | I mean, any person in that voting pool could store all the transactions that they saw chronologically, but those transactions have no effect on where the money goes unless these central authorities decide to have it go there. | 17:17 |
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| gandalf | does open transactions allow peer to peer discovery through a dht? | 17:18 |
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| gmaxwell | groan: 'but when I was learning algebra, my professor, in an attempt to impress upon us the necessity of checking that certain maps are well-defined, told us the story of a classmate of his who got several years into his Ph.D. thesis before realizing that the maps he was investigating weren't well defined. Horrified, we asked him if this was true. "No" he said, "but that's one lie you'll never forget!"' | 18:57 |
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