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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/A%20denial%20of%20service%20attack%20against%20fair%20computations%20using%20Bitcoin%20deposits.pdf | 07:46 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/cryptography/How%20to%20use%20indistinguishability%20obfuscation:%20deniable%20encryption,%20and%20more.pdf | 08:04 |
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| andytoshi | the latter at least is not so interesting to us because it requires a double-use of FHE as well as a fairly expensive matrix representation of circuits | 08:19 |
| kanzure | FHE? | 08:20 |
| andytoshi | fully homomorphic encryption -- encryption which you can correctly add and multiply through | 08:20 |
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| andytoshi | also there is this weird property of obfuscation that the non-obfuscator cannot tell exactly what is obfuscated (and "exactly" is really subtle and almost certainly differs IRL from what can be proven) which allows weird protocol violations to go undetected | 08:22 |
| andytoshi | which maybe is fine ... typically they are things like "i can create a weak public key, on purpose, and others won't know unless i tell them, maybe" which obviously does not affect the security of the system since the obfuscating party can only screw himself ... but i don't know how to think about it | 08:23 |
| kanzure | can you point me to an okay thing about obliviousness | 08:23 |
| andytoshi | obliviousness or obfuscation? | 08:23 |
| kanzure | obliviousness (different topic) | 08:24 |
| andytoshi | i haven't read anything about obliviousness unfortunately ... gmaxwell i think has read some oram papers | 08:24 |
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| andytoshi | i'll do a quick search through the literature, one sec | 08:24 |
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| andytoshi | this was the paper that introduced oblivious ram http://class.ece.iastate.edu/tyagi/cpre681/papers/p431-goldreich.pdf | 08:26 |
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| kanzure | oh, RAM plural. huh. | 08:27 |
| andytoshi | :P yeah ... best think to do is go to eprint.iacr.org, find a recent paper for "oblivious" and skim the intro for citations | 08:28 |
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| kanzure | hmm http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=12507555907554572729&as_sdt=5,44&sciodt=0,44&hl=en | 08:29 |
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| OP_NULL | petertodd: I didn' | 13:42 |
| OP_NULL | t claim it was the most interesting, it was just something I didn't realise anybody struggled with. | 13:42 |
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| OP_NULL | petertodd: the end result is that two block explorers claim the invalid opcode OP_RIGHT is being used in a transaction. | 13:51 |
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| nsh | would it be feasible to use an abstracted dynamic-membership multi-party signature system to do mOTR type messaging? | 14:07 |
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| SubCreative | Hey all | 14:18 |
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| GnarSith | im working on Silk Road 4: A New Hope | 15:29 |
| Luke-Jr | you should ban illegal items | 15:30 |
| Luke-Jr | probably would solve a lot of problems | 15:30 |
| GnarSith | well yeah but then noone would use it | 15:32 |
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| GnarSith | a market niche is what it is | 15:32 |
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| GnarSith | thers more efficacious markets for legal items i cant really compete with | 15:35 |
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| gmaxwell | Can anyone kick me links to "zero conf by having miners sign statements that say they're planning on mining something" citations? | 16:48 |
| MRL-Relay | [surae] disagree, GnarSith | 16:49 |
| gmaxwell | gwillen perhaps? | 16:49 |
| MRL-Relay | [surae] you'd just have OpenBazaar, but on the darkweb at that point | 16:49 |
| MRL-Relay | [surae] besides, it's not like people don't use E-Bay to sell illegal stuff by simply using euphemisms | 16:49 |
| @gwillen | gmaxwell: I like to toss related ideas around but I don't know that I've seen it written up | 16:50 |
| @gwillen | (signed statements are new to me, what I've heard of was all about taking shares and using their PoW as evidence) | 16:50 |
| MRL-Relay | [surae] gmaxwell, how would that work, exactly? my understanding is that zero conf transactions are... optionally accepted by merchants, and are independent of mining? | 16:50 |
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| gmaxwell | gwillen: got any citations on the share level, I know everyone knows about that... just looking for some references. | 16:52 |
| * gwillen nods | 16:52 | |
| @gwillen | I'll see what I can track down but nothing at hand | 16:52 |
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| kanzure | gmaxwell: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97153.0 | 16:58 |
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| gmaxwell | Thanks! I think that was _one_ of the proposals I was vaguely thinking of but couldn't find. I think there are two others. | 16:59 |
| kanzure | gmaxwell: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62137.0;all | 16:59 |
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| * dgenr8 thinks they should have called those proposals "let's turn the whole network into a great big BitUndo" | 18:48 | |
| kanzure | i haven't seen any good proposals for turning bitcoin into a properly-centralized centralized system | 18:49 |
| kanzure | just really bad ones | 18:49 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: what is properly-centralized? | 18:49 |
| kanzure | naturally i would find a centralization proposal in bad taste anyway, but it's curious how little effort anyone has put into it (for example: you would expect someone who strongly disbelieves in decentralization to want to make a strong effort to convert bitcoin to centralization) | 18:50 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: oh you know, the usual benefits of a centralized ledger. | 18:50 |
| * dgenr8 would look forward to eligius refusing to sign any txes from ... whomever | 18:50 | |
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| justanotheruser | dgenr8: what does that mean? | 18:51 |
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| dgenr8 | would eligius be expected to mine txes from satoshidice? | 18:52 |
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| justanotheruser | dgenr8: expecting by whom? | 18:53 |
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| justanotheruser | what proposal are you referring to? The partial confirm proposal? | 18:54 |
| dgenr8 | the proposals that create a preferred channel where miners can promise to mine your tx | 18:55 |
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| dgenr8 | one guy did sort of mention that an attacker could use the service too. but he was ignored. | 19:06 |
| justanotheruser | the assumption should be that an attacker will use such a service even if it doesn't knowingly exist yet. | 19:17 |
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| dgenr8 | yep | 19:53 |
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| webdeli | You know how the first page of "Enabling Blockchain Innovations with Pegged Sidechains" has a commit 5620e43 reference... Where is the Git repo? | 20:52 |
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| justanotheruser | webdeli: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin | 20:56 |
| justanotheruser | oh wait, you want the papers repo, sorry | 20:56 |
| justanotheruser | It may be a private repo, I can't find it and if it did exist publicly, It'd probably be under https://github.com/blockstream | 20:57 |
| webdeli | Cool - thanks for the clarification. As a side-joke - ... I tried to blame the whitepaper at that first link and I all I did was built this revolutionary p2p value transaction client app. | 20:58 |
| webdeli | You can find commit has conflicts here: | 20:59 |
| webdeli | https://github.com/X-ROM/android_frameworks_native/commits?author=aways | 20:59 |
| webdeli | and here: https://github.com/Wesco/IR_Open_Order_Report/commits?author=TReische | 20:59 |
| webdeli | But both these '5620e43' are obviously 'not the whitepaper I am looking for' in obie wan kanobe voice either. | 21:00 |
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