2014-12-31.log

--- Log opened Wed Dec 31 00:00:08 2014
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Luke-Jrop_mul: I like the "email transaction" version better anyway. no id needed, no OP_RETURN needed. :p00:24
Luke-Jr(that is, wrap a transaction+data in a payment protocol structure and send it via email; recipient has duty to announce to the network after telling his wallet about the key)00:26
op_mulLuke-Jr: somehow I don't think people will latch onto that. give it a swankier name and pitch it again.00:28
Luke-Jrop_mul: "send to person" :P00:29
Luke-Jr"address-free bitcoin"00:29
op_mul"AnarchySend"00:29
op_mulship it.00:30
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Luke-Jr"real bitcoin™"00:31
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op_mulLuke-Jr: I don't like that actually. at least with HTTP it's sort of easy to tell if the page you are visiting is "secure". with email it's anybodies guess.00:49
Luke-Jrop_mul: doesn't matter much unless you use the wrong base key with the email00:49
Luke-Jrit's still just a signed transaction that needs a private key to redeem ;)00:49
op_muloh yep. I follow. I thought you meant moving BIP70 into an email form, but you meant just sending the ephemeral portion of the "stealth" address directly to the person rather than have them scan for it.00:51
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op_mulnot super slick though.00:53
op_mulif you lose the ephemeral key you either have to use a non-SPV client and scan every transaction, or outsource it. I know what most people will do.00:54
Luke-Jrop_mul: or ask the sender to resend00:55
Luke-Jrnot sure why you'd lose it though00:55
Luke-Jrbut then, my email is stored in git <.<00:56
op_mulI was thinking if you lost/destroyed/whatever your wallet and recovered it with a BIP32 seed.00:56
Luke-Jroh, hm00:57
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op_mulLuke-Jr: I suppose that's a niche issue.01:20
Luke-Jrop_mul: not sure. half the benefit of HD wallets is a single backup01:23
Luke-JrI suppose the transaction could always have the OP_RETURN in it still, and only use the email so you get metadata with it01:23
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tacotimew/r/t stealth addresses, i'll see if i can implement it out of band this month in btcd/btcwallet11:20
tacotimei think that's a good way to do it for now; just export the data that's normally OP_RETURN'd with in JSON for the user to ship off to the receiver from some OOB mechanism11:21
tacotimethen users can make QR codes to put on their business cards or whatever, with [OOB_contact_info]&[stealth_address] embedded into it11:22
tacotimethen it's just a matter of forwarding the data and txhash11:23
tacotime--> actually usable non-reusable addresses :P11:23
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tacotimei maybe derive the scan privkey from the spend privkey by hashing too, since we do that for monero and it seems relatively safe so far.11:28
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op_multacotime: the reason I don't like that too much is that it means you can't recover a wallet just with a BIP32 seed. you need to go digging around for metadata you may or may not have retained.17:33
op_mul"you know that ephemeral key I emailed to your hotmail address like 5 years ago?" "er"17:33
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beamlaserthe code for cspace has been released https://github.com/jmcvetta/cspace in case anyone wants to audit it.18:22
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