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| gavink | anyone up for helping with a little experiment? just trying to do visualization of the tree of transaction from the bitstamp account, to see in real time as the money flows. I've got https://www.npmjs.com/package/bitcoin-tx-graph-visualizer running, but trying to figure out the best way to feed the raw hex transaction data | 05:03 |
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| gavink | or maybe you know of a good existing site that does this, I did see some visualization code, but it required a lot of dependencies, and server necessities | 05:03 |
| op_mul | what do you expect to gain exactly? this is more for #bitcoin, lets chat about it there. | 05:04 |
| gavink | apologies wrong forum cheers | 05:06 |
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| nsh | hm, k | 05:29 |
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| morcos | gmaxwell: still trying to understand your 'provable hash' techniques from yesterday on bitcion-dev, why doesn't the second method need pairing crypto? and what do you mean a cryptobreak just gives you sidechannel, what else could it give you? | 09:29 |
| morcos | s/doesn't/does/ | 09:29 |
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| @gmaxwell | morcos: Pairing cryptography is required because there is no known (to me, or I believe anyone) construct for a small unique signature using just a plain DH group, e.g. you cannot use ecdsa for this. As far as what else? it could (but can't in this scheme) let you construct arbritary hash collisions, which would be pretty bad since you're encoding a scriptpubkey there. | 09:35 |
| morcos | are you getting rid of all the publishing channels somehow? not just OP_RETURN? | 09:42 |
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| @gmaxwell | morcos: this could be used for all outputs. | 09:43 |
| @gmaxwell | Scriptsig is strictly less concerning, because a full verifying node technically does not need to _store_ anything for a signature. | 09:45 |
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| phantomcircuit | https://twitter.com/nejc_kodric/status/552861244714405891 | 11:01 |
| phantomcircuit | wat | 11:01 |
| phantomcircuit | the fuck does that even mean | 11:01 |
| op_mul | what's interesting is that they claim they can't recover funds send to old deposit addresses. | 11:01 |
| op_mul | you'd think they could try racing them if they still had control. | 11:02 |
| phantomcircuit | they absolutely can | 11:02 |
| op_mul | they're not though. | 11:02 |
| @gmaxwell | why do you think they can? I had the impression they lost physical control of the hosts. | 11:05 |
| @gmaxwell | (not that I actually know anything material) | 11:05 |
| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, i would expect they have a copy of the private keys somewhere | 11:05 |
| op_mul | gmaxwell: I'm not sure about that. the theft took many hours. if they'd lost control of the servers it doesn't seem likely they would have stuck around waiting. | 11:08 |
| @gmaxwell | I can't come up with any other reason why they wouldn't try racing for funds. | 11:09 |
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| @gmaxwell | In particular they could probably get a couple miners to otherwise block spends of those addresses, so they'd frequently win. | 11:10 |
| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, failure to understand that they can? | 11:10 |
| phantomcircuit | who knows | 11:10 |
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| kanzure | .tw | 11:14 |
| yoleaux | We are fully rebuilding our systems from the ground up so that customers can use @Bitstamp with full confidence and trust. (@nejc_kodric) | 11:14 |
| phantomcircuit | i hope he just means they're rebuilding the deployment system and not the code... | 11:16 |
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| kanzure | nah it'll be ready by lunch what's so hard about it | 11:17 |
| kanzure | maybe they had a second implementation in progress from their last round of funding or something | 11:18 |
| op_mul | that sounds very dangerous. rushing something unfinished into production could cause them even more problems. they commented that they had their dup system running with dummy data, I doubt it's a different one than before. the delay could just be them trying to still find the hole. | 11:24 |
| kanzure | oh right, maybe they didn't have enough logging to find the hole, that would be awesome | 11:25 |
| @gmaxwell | I don't understand why bitstamp btc didn't skyrocket in value with a compromise at play though. | 11:27 |
| @gmaxwell | oh blonde moment, nevermind, if they were draining the wallet directly they wouldn't need to trade. | 11:27 |
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| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, and if they had access to both they could have been selling swaps and making a profit on the price drop | 11:28 |
| op_mul | even the outgoing transactions to the theft address are weird. thy don't even take the entirety of the outputs. | 11:28 |
| op_mul | some pay absolutely nuts fees (1BTC) | 11:28 |
| phantomcircuit | someone trying to be clever by adding larger fees | 11:28 |
| @gmaxwell | op_mul: did they just ignore dust? | 11:28 |
| op_mul | gmaxwell: no, they made more. like they spend 500 BTC of outputs, and make a 0.1 BTC change | 11:29 |
| phantomcircuit | so then it was done manually | 11:29 |
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| op_mul | http://webbtc.com/tx/a32697f1796b7b87d953637ac827e11b84c6b0f9237cff793f329f877af50aea | 11:30 |
| op_mul | in that case, yeah sure it makes sense. they stole 3100 and left a little change | 11:30 |
| op_mul | the change address is a known bitstamp one first used on december 30. | 11:32 |
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| op_mul | http://webbtc.com/tx/82fd6fdcc09627414faad2b9c24500ed8ddeb284b6727e4faa5a666d06282369 | 11:32 |
| @gmaxwell | well you probably end up with a fee error just trying to send it all using a normal wallet... so you hurry up and lower the amount by 0.1 btc | 11:32 |
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| op_mul | here they take a totally odd number though, but again leave about 0.01 BTC to change | 11:33 |
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| op_mul | gmaxwell: I don't think it was a bitcoin core wallet. core doesn't reuse change addresses, this does. | 11:34 |
| @gmaxwell | it'll be halarious when its realized the theif put the funds in bc.i and bc.i was able to claw them all back. | 11:35 |
| phantomcircuit | op_mul, iirc someone said bitstamp managed to push ~3k coins into cold storage | 11:36 |
| phantomcircuit | but maybe that's nonsense | 11:36 |
| op_mul | phantomcircuit: I don't think so. 23bff6715c450f2af6f56a42862ac5006eb6037fbee549c5820ddaf2afca7e5d was a transaction going to the bitstamp hot wallet which got swept by the theif again (0.15 BTC fee). I've got about 10 transactions in a row that the theif spent. | 11:38 |
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| op_mul | there's a couple of spends to other addresses which I can't identify, that could be it. there's maybe 10-20 BTC. | 11:41 |
| op_mul | phantomcircuit: oh interesting, they did catch one or two | 11:42 |
| op_mul | bb52c6c8041c1110bceb6a2afa5d387c1a180e833a435fea81da8c4c2ef34964 spends from the hot wallet to 1JoktQJhCzuCQkt3GnQ8Xddcq4mUgNyXEa, which is the "cold" address they have. | 11:43 |
| op_mul | that's 1 BTC though. | 11:43 |
| phantomcircuit | there seems to be a risk mitigation problem with exchanges | 11:44 |
| phantomcircuit | anybody running an exchange is inherently willing to take on substantial risk | 11:45 |
| phantomcircuit | seems a bit axiomatic | 11:45 |
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| op_mul | phantomcircuit: oh found it, yes bitstamp *did* rescue some! | 11:47 |
| op_mul | phantomcircuit: 2700 BTC. | 11:47 |
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| kanzure | they should generate unsigned transactions every morning (or whenever) to safely transition BTC to backup wallets | 11:51 |
| kanzure | and then in an emergency sign those | 11:51 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, they should generate and sign those transactions and simply not broadcast them | 11:52 |
| kanzure | the downside is that the backup wallets have to be even better protected (and if your private keys were offline in the first place, then you have a bigger problem on your hands i guess) | 11:52 |
| kanzure | not broadcast them? | 11:52 |
| kanzure | oh right | 11:52 |
| phantomcircuit | "big red button" sends them | 11:52 |
| kanzure | agreed | 11:52 |
| phantomcircuit | but there's a huge amount of security engineering that can be done | 11:53 |
| kanzure | could also be a dead man's switch | 11:53 |
| phantomcircuit | it's not clear where the line is on what makes sense | 11:53 |
| kanzure | they called it "an excess of caution" but i'd rather go with "an abundance of caution" | 11:53 |
| op_mul | having 18,000 BTC in your hot wallet is sort of nuts | 11:53 |
| kanzure | do they have 18k BTC/hour turnover or something? | 11:54 |
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| phantomcircuit | op_mul, that's hard to judge without daily average turn over numbers | 11:55 |
| phantomcircuit | it's entirely plausible that they turn over 10% of their total per day | 11:55 |
| op_mul | phantomcircuit: I can tell you looking at this that they don't | 11:55 |
| phantomcircuit | i suspect they turn over their bank account something like every 5-10 business days | 11:55 |
| phantomcircuit | op_mul, you have a guess at their daily average net turn over? | 11:56 |
| op_mul | I don't think so | 11:57 |
| op_mul | just going by the numbers though, they do a huge number of transactions but none of them are *huge* | 11:57 |
| phantomcircuit | i see... | 11:58 |
| op_mul | eh, actually there's some pretty big ones further down. 200 BTC out, 550 in, 200 out, 200 in | 11:58 |
| op_mul | someone seems to like doing arbitrage with bitfinex. | 11:59 |
| kanzure | bitfinex is also doing a single address? -_- | 11:59 |
| op_mul | no? neither is bitstamp. | 11:59 |
| kanzure | how are you identifying it then? | 12:00 |
| op_mul | merges. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | merges with what? | 12:00 |
| op_mul | themselves. | 12:00 |
| kanzure | if they are not reusing addresses then i don't see how you would know they are bitfinex addresses | 12:01 |
| kanzure | or bitstamp for that matter | 12:01 |
| op_mul | you filter all transactions for coinjoin transactions. then you look at transactions which spend two unrelated outputs. you pair them together and call them A. | 12:01 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, it's relatively easy to identify exchange transactions because it's a reasonable assumption that two outputs spent in a transaction merge identities | 12:01 |
| phantomcircuit | but only in the limited case of exchanges who are clearly not doing coinjoin | 12:01 |
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| phantomcircuit | (which is currently... all of them) | 12:02 |
| op_mul | all you need to do is find an entry point (usually someone talking about a withdrawl they made), and you can find the whole wallet just by branching back. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | oh, because they are not being careful about coin selection and privacy leaks, i see | 12:02 |
| op_mul | careful doesn't really help you | 12:03 |
| op_mul | you're going to merge your outputs sooner or later, and then I've nailed you. | 12:03 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, if you're not doing coinjoin and you're doing demand deposits/withdrawals | 12:03 |
| phantomcircuit | then there is very little privacy | 12:03 |
| phantomcircuit | (read: none) | 12:03 |
| kanzure | there is very little privacy if you merge your outputs, sure | 12:03 |
| op_mul | (dirty secret, everybody merges) | 12:04 |
| phantomcircuit | i actually had a proposal to avoid this but it's potentially nasty (and is actually kind of obvious) | 12:04 |
| phantomcircuit | simply require multiple addresses be provided for each transfer out | 12:05 |
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| op_mul | I suspect I've got most coinhashing addresses marked just due to your coinbase outputs. | 12:05 |
| op_mul | cloudhashing, rather. | 12:05 |
| phantomcircuit | then match outputs 1:1 to avoid merging | 12:05 |
| kanzure | phantomcircuit: how would multiple outputs be useful there? | 12:05 |
| phantomcircuit | op_mul, probably but be careful there's coinjoin stuff in there also | 12:05 |
| op_mul | phantomcircuit: I pre-filter for coinjoin. | 12:05 |
| phantomcircuit | iirc if you naively trace it shows we control something silly like 100k coins | 12:05 |
| phantomcircuit | op_mul, er how though? | 12:06 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, the recipient can link the outputs, but another observer cannot | 12:06 |
| kanzure | the observer knows that you could sign for all those outputs | 12:06 |
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| phantomcircuit | kanzure, the outputs dont get merged.. at least not by you | 12:07 |
| phantomcircuit | probably the recipient merges them | 12:07 |
| op_mul | phantomcircuit: depends how you mean coinjoin. I can detect a coinjoin with lots of inputs and like sized outputs (and some secret sauce), but I can't detect a manual one. it's possible that for you in particular I've got incorrect results. | 12:07 |
| kanzure | that is a fun project | 12:07 |
| phantomcircuit | op_mul, then it's pretty likely you've got incorrect results since the inputs/outputs often include offsets to pay people | 12:07 |
| op_mul | kanzure: it's not. I'm out of disk space. | 12:08 |
| phantomcircuit | also that's one reason why i suggested using power of two outputs for coinjoin transactions | 12:08 |
| phantomcircuit | but that has the obvious downside of potentially serious utxo bloat | 12:08 |
| op_mul | none of this scales, and I wasn't paying much attention to it when I wrote it. | 12:08 |
| phantomcircuit | op_mul, how much disk space are you using? | 12:09 |
| op_mul | uh. it's horrible. | 12:09 |
| op_mul | many hundreds of gigabytes. | 12:09 |
| phantomcircuit | shrug | 12:11 |
| op_mul | it's actually got to the point as well that it's taking me longer to process blocks than they are coming in | 12:11 |
| kanzure | op_mul: here have some more data http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/job/7i531 https://archive.org/download/archiveteam_archivebot_go_068/archiveteam_archivebot_go_068_archive.torrent | 12:11 |
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| kanzure | well, you should be using an asynchronous queue for your extra processing, and then just scale parallelism for that asynchronous queue of extra stuff you're intending to do | 12:12 |
| op_mul | kanzure: I already have bitcointalk, it's updated in real time from the "recent posts" view. | 12:12 |
| kanzure | do you have diffs of old posts? | 12:12 |
| op_mul | no. only new posts and posts which make edits when they're in the list of 100 newest. | 12:12 |
| kanzure | hm, so you at least are not overriding old versions with new edits, then | 12:13 |
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| kanzure | except for recently-made posts | 12:13 |
| op_mul | to have diffs would mean I need to crawl the whole site endlessly, and there's a 1 request / second / IP limiter. | 12:13 |
| kanzure | that's troubling | 12:13 |
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| op_mul | it's fine once you're up to date. | 12:14 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, 1 request/second makes sense for trolltalk | 12:14 |
| fenn | there's only ~500k pages so 5 days to crawl | 12:14 |
| phantomcircuit | iirc it only applies to non-static content | 12:14 |
| fenn | however empirical data suggests its more like 2 months | 12:14 |
| phantomcircuit | fenn, a naive scraper will end up with a bunch of different formats for the same content | 12:15 |
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| phantomcircuit | wap2 content and what not | 12:15 |
| fenn | i have no idea what that is | 12:15 |
| op_mul | fenn: er, it took a lot longer than that | 12:16 |
| op_mul | there's close to a million topics alone | 12:17 |
| op_mul | and some topics have tens of thousands of pages | 12:17 |
| fenn | <@ivan-> we ran a crawl of it that started on 2014-04-03 and finished on 2014-06-21 | 12:17 |
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| fenn | there may have been multiple nodes doing the crawl | 12:18 |
| kanzure | oh that's the guy that notified me of the libgen guy's death the other day | 12:19 |
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| ryan-c | gmaxwell: do you still have that ibm 4764 and did you ever get the dev kit for it? | 16:06 |
| @gmaxwell | ryan-c: I do, and I've been unable to get a devkit, though I've only put a couple hours into trying. Actually I have two more of them now. | 16:07 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: Would you like me to inquire about the devkit for you? I know an IBM lifer. | 16:08 |
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| @gmaxwell | That would be pretty awesome. | 16:09 |
| ryan-c | and by know, i mean that I'm marrying his daughter in a few months | 16:09 |
| sipa | maybe wait until you're married | 16:09 |
| kanzure | "what's a devkit between inlaws?" | 16:09 |
| @gmaxwell | hah | 16:09 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:09 |
| ryan-c | lol | 16:09 |
| @gmaxwell | ryan-c: my plan after the first failing attempt was to just contact ibm sales with my business hat on, but .. ugh sales. At the moment I'm wating for that before I have a concrete reason to buy some immediately; so that I don't waste their time. | 16:11 |
| @gmaxwell | they're pretty expensive when not found as mysterious surplus parts, about 10 grand. Not an unreasonable cost for a business, but decidely outside of normal expirement parts pricing. | 16:12 |
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| ryan-c | I came across you complaining about not being to get a devkit when I was googling for information about what HSMs might support secp256k1 (someone asked me about it). | 16:13 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: why'd you say that pretty much everything other than the IBM ones were crap? | 16:13 |
| @gmaxwell | yea... HSM market sucks, supporting secp256k1 isn't the half of it.. if the HSM can't embed business logic then it's not really very useful. | 16:14 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: yeah, i agree about the business logic bit. | 16:14 |
| ryan-c | kinda pointless to protect the key from theft whilst allowing arbitrary operations to be done with it | 16:15 |
| kanzure | er, but nobody is proposing you hook up your HSM straight to the interwebs | 16:15 |
| ryan-c | especially for cryptocurrency | 16:15 |
| kanzure | presumably you have some authorization process before allowing a signature (absent some business logic stored on the hsm) | 16:15 |
| @gmaxwell | sure but if that was adequate you could just cut out the hsm and put your keys in that. | 16:15 |
| ryan-c | kanzure: if you want to allow automated signing based on some rules, the hsm provides little, if any, security benefit. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | ah right, i keep forgetting the default assumption is automated signing | 16:16 |
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| kanzure | my hsm use does not involve automatic signing | 16:16 |
| ryan-c | it maybe makes more sense where the things that you could do with the key could be undone, or where you don't want the sysadmin to steal the key. | 16:16 |
| kanzure | it's really strange, gmaxwell has brought this up in the past too, i wonder why i keep forgetting | 16:16 |
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| phantomcircuit | ryan-c, you can rate limit those arbitrary operations which could be useful | 16:30 |
| phantomcircuit | but substantially less useful than generic business logic | 16:31 |
| ryan-c | phantomcircuit: yeah | 16:31 |
| kanzure | if you have bitcoin blockchain validation stuff happening in the hsm, you could rate limit outgoing bitcoin transaction amounts, that would be cool | 16:31 |
| phantomcircuit | (that is effectively how intersango's hot wallet operated) | 16:31 |
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| ryan-c | kanzure: that would be "business logic" | 16:31 |
| kanzure | where did you put intersango's hot wallet? | 16:31 |
| phantomcircuit | separate computer which received payment instructions and applied rate limiting | 16:31 |
| kanzure | home network lan? :p | 16:32 |
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| phantomcircuit | kanzure, for a long time it was in my bedroom on a gentoo hardened box and instrumented to shutdown if anything weird was detected | 16:32 |
| @gmaxwell | it would be pretty straight forward to get an ibm cryptocard to do blockchain clocked value per time limits. | 16:32 |
| phantomcircuit | (pretty crap tastic hack which checked iptables counters) | 16:32 |
| ryan-c | I have some stuff I cooked up that runs on a raspberry pi that sends stuff over serial and lets code on the pi actually build the transaction (which must follow a defined policy) | 16:34 |
| ryan-c | If I'm going to be super paranoid, I don't want to expose the network stack. :-P | 16:35 |
| @gmaxwell | rpi unreliability is annoying, also take care to not go through all that trouble and have a stupid timing attack vector. | 16:35 |
| phantomcircuit | https://0bin.zertrin.org/paste/c37d7276dd833645a4403b9565da06f9f08b7589#yflkKzPJ6Dek4RybcHGul8NAuMeWmJy3BGNf188j5pY= | 16:36 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: If i were putting it into production, I would use a real computer. | 16:36 |
| phantomcircuit | any ideas why that wont relay? | 16:36 |
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| @gmaxwell | phantomcircuit: my node took it, put it in the mempool. | 16:37 |
| phantomcircuit | hmm | 16:37 |
| @gmaxwell | that node is on git master as of this am. | 16:37 |
| @gmaxwell | you already have a conflict? | 16:38 |
| phantomcircuit | oh i see | 16:39 |
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| phantomcircuit | it's been 36 minutes | 16:39 |
| phantomcircuit | the last block was btc guild | 16:39 |
| phantomcircuit | i bet they're running rules old enough that the op_return is non standard | 16:39 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: ugh, timing attacks, they ruin many things | 16:39 |
| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, the rpi sdcard holder bends the sdcard | 16:39 |
| phantomcircuit | i went through a number of cards before i realized what was going on | 16:40 |
| ryan-c | I haven't had reliability issues with mine, fwiw | 16:40 |
| phantomcircuit | flexes is probabyl a better term | 16:40 |
| ryan-c | i had them in cases which don't have anything putting pressure on the sd card | 16:40 |
| phantomcircuit | ryan-c, the sdcard holder on the rpi holds the edges of the card and applies pressure uniformly to the pins | 16:41 |
| ryan-c | I like the low profile microsd adapters | 16:41 |
| @gmaxwell | Anyone off the top of your head know of a solver that takes a large number of N-dimensional binary vectors, and a weight for each vector. And finds a set of vectors that have a 1 in each dimension with minimum weight? | 16:41 |
| phantomcircuit | which causes the card to flex in the middle | 16:41 |
| @gmaxwell | (believe it or not that question is somewhat on-topic) | 16:41 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: like a constrain solver? | 16:42 |
| ryan-c | constraint | 16:42 |
| kanzure | sounds like something a constraint solver would do | 16:42 |
| kanzure | doh | 16:42 |
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| TheSeven | oh well, why do people still use raspberry pi's... | 16:42 |
| @gmaxwell | yes, its a constraint solver, but I was hoping for one optimized for this task. (I mean I could just use minion to do it, but I expect it would be slow) | 16:42 |
| ryan-c | TheSeven: I think the answer is "they're cheap". I was looking into the odroid-c1 recently, which looks pretty awesome | 16:43 |
| TheSeven | yes, I was thinking about that one (or possibly an olinuxino) as well | 16:43 |
| sipa | gmaxwell: so per 'column' an OR over all the vectors should be one, while minimizing the sum? | 16:44 |
| ryan-c | about the same price as an rpi too | 16:44 |
| @gmaxwell | sipa: yes. | 16:44 |
| kanzure | gmaxwell: i've been meaning to look into this one eventually http://www.gecode.org/ | 16:44 |
| sipa | i've used gecode | 16:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.gecode.org/doc-latest/reference/index.html | 16:44 |
| @gmaxwell | kanzure: yea, gecode usually requires a bunch of per task coding. | 16:44 |
| kanzure | ah interesting | 16:45 |
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| kanzure | i was looking into gecode for parametric cad modeling reasons | 16:45 |
| @gmaxwell | sipa: what I'm doing is I have a kabazillion test vectors for libsecp256k1, and for each vector I have a bitmap of every outcome for every branch in the code. And I want to find the smallest set of test vectors that hits all of them. (so hopefully it will be small enough to just stick in tests.c) | 16:46 |
| sipa | doesn | 16:47 |
| kanzure | could you do that by just looking at every line of code to decide how to hit those branches? | 16:47 |
| sipa | doesn't sound hard | 16:47 |
| sipa | but i have no clue about the performance | 16:47 |
| @gmaxwell | well right, I'd also like to do this for several hundred million vectors input. :P | 16:48 |
| @gmaxwell | I suppose I can probably reduce it a lot with a preprocessing step. | 16:48 |
| @gmaxwell | kanzure: not to give the smallest set of tests. | 16:48 |
| kanzure | if you have 30% (unknown) redundancy that doesn't sound too bad | 16:49 |
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| sipa | gmaxwell: define 'kabazillion' ? | 16:54 |
| kanzure | it is 1/1024 of kibizillion | 16:55 |
| @gmaxwell | sipa: several hundred million probably. I dunno maybe less, because I can eliminate duplicates. The upper bound is pretty high. | 16:55 |
| sipa | preprocession by removing all results that subsume some other result would be useful already | 16:56 |
| sipa | *are subsumed by | 16:56 |
| @gmaxwell | yea, that might make it small enough that I could just throw minion at it with no worry. Didn't think of doing that until I typed it out here. | 16:56 |
| @gmaxwell | well must be subsumed and <= in size. | 16:57 |
| sipa | 'size' ? | 16:57 |
| @gmaxwell | sipa: my tests are encoded signatures, and I'm trying to minimize the total size. | 16:57 |
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| sipa | i just mean individual signatures, look at which branches they trigger | 16:58 |
| @gmaxwell | (with a variable length encoding; which is a win, since most cases can be triggered by small signatures.) | 16:58 |
| @gmaxwell | sipa: right and what I'm saying is that if one triggers a subset of the branches but it is also smaller, it may be in the optimal solution. | 16:59 |
| sipa | some signatures will trigger a superset of branches of a single other | 16:59 |
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| sipa | oh | 16:59 |
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| DoubleIn100Hrs | I just got paid on 4 transactions! Get in before the Ponzi is over!!! http://cryptodouble.com/?ref=aZk0V | 18:14 |
| sipa | not here | 18:15 |
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