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op_mulrequest for cluesticking https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=937058.msg10308187#msg1030818703:49
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fluffyponyheh03:55
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fluffyponyI had a full on argument with a troll from ShadowCash yesterday03:56
fluffyponymy favourite bit was this that he says of two functions in the Monero source code: "Normally, this would be avoided by having the compiler generate the code for the operations, thereby increasing maintainability and possibly execution speed. Even when being concerned about the compiler's capability to do this properly (for example when working with an old compiler), preprocessing or code generation would make sense for code like03:56
fluffypony this in order to make working with it less error-prone."03:56
fluffyponyhe highlights this vector zeroing in 10 lines: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/crypto/crypto-ops.c#L77-L88 and this vector addition in 40 lines: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/crypto/crypto-ops.c#L123-L16403:57
fluffyponysomehow he completely misses the comments above the function that point to where the code snippet comes from in NaCL / libsodium03:57
op_mulof all the things to argue about in bytecoin/monero, that's not something I would have picked03:58
fluffyponydefinitely not when it's purposely written that way for reasons he can't fathom03:59
fluffyponyop_mul: replied to curve-boy04:01
op_mulnice one04:02
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op_mulI've seen and had some fairly pointless arguments with altcoin makers too.04:03
op_mulgenerally they dissolve down to people having made systems which aren't able to maintain consensus and they just refuse to understand it.04:03
fluffyponyamateur cryptography is bad enough, the sheer amount of bad amateur cryptography on the altcoin scene is beyond insane04:05
op_muldarkcoin is a good source of amusement in that area. I found a comment before about how their "X11" proof of work is hard to make an ASIC for :)04:08
fluffyponylol04:08
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fluffyponyandytoshi needs to abandon Rust and go back to the classics: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u7hz6/is_it_possible_to_code_a_bitcoin_wallet_in_vb/09:18
justanotheruser"is it possible to code a bitcoin wallet in VB" sounds like a good indicator of security09:19
hearnlol09:19
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maaku"is it possible to code a bitcoin wallet in brainfuck?"11:54
fluffyponyI'd love to see that11:56
helocan you do disk access?11:57
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justanotherusercan you do networking in brainfuck?11:57
helothe more crucial question heh11:57
justanotheruserIf you can access whatever memory you want on your computer, probably11:58
fluffypony++++[++++>---<]>-.-[--->+<]>--.+++++++++++.++[->+++<]>+.++++++++++++.------.+++++.-[->+++++<]>.11:58
fluffyponythere11:58
fluffyponydone11:58
fluffypony(plz use 8-bit cells)11:58
justanotheruserfluffypony: why do I keep getting 2015-01-27 05:09:15 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : nonstandard transaction: dust11:59
justanotheruserdoes it not have the same relay policy as bitcoind?11:59
fluffyponyjustanotheruser: it's v0.112:08
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fluffyponyI haven't added that function yet12:08
fluffypony(relaying, I mean)12:09
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