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| fanquake | twice now.. | 01:13 |
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| fluffypony | fanquake ? | 01:14 |
| fanquake | fluffypony File transfer requests from users with a certain phrase | 01:15 |
| fanquake | See http://nullroute.eu.org/~grawity/startkeylogger.html | 01:15 |
| arubi | fanquake, me too. 3 times | 01:15 |
| fluffypony | fun | 01:16 |
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| gmaxwell | yea, I opped earlier to ban him but realized he wasn't here. | 01:53 |
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| elevation | is there anyway to force double spend a transaction on blockchain.info and/or export it into a client that can?? | 12:58 |
| kanzure | wrong channel | 12:58 |
| kanzure | use #bitcoin | 12:59 |
| elevation | thanks! | 12:59 |
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| phantomcircuit | so it seems that removing the checkpoints isn't something that is viable (at least not without either functional fraud proofs or a massive performance hit) | 15:09 |
| phantomcircuit | the smallest obviously safe step forward would be to simply remove them from the consensus path and only skip script checks if the block is int he same chain as the last checkpoint | 15:10 |
| sipa | i would like that | 15:10 |
| phantomcircuit | note this means it would be safe to have a single checkpoint instead of multiple | 15:10 |
| sipa | #bitcoin-dev | 15:10 |
| phantomcircuit | right | 15:11 |
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| gmaxwell | has anyone read sergios recent bitcoin development post and can summarize it for me? I read it and am not seeing the point-- I think he's trying to solve a different and much less interesting problem, but I could be wrong--, perhaps a different perspective may be helpful. | 17:43 |
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| bramc | Having met peter todd in person I'm no longer inclined to give his ideas which sound stupid the benefit of the doubt. Colored coins in particular. | 18:14 |
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| zooko | *sigh* | 18:22 |
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| moa | bramc: are you saying colored coins are stupid? | 18:31 |
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| bramc | moa, they're like bitcoin, but accepted less places and with more dependencies (I suppose ripple-style backing of some other asset with them just as an accounting measure is okay, but a little silly because you need a trusted party anyway) | 18:33 |
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| midnightmagic | gmaxwell: 'assymetric-speed encryption allows 100:1 slowdown for honest peers to prove local storage to sceptical verifiers with pitchforks' plus 'gmaxwells proof-of-storage doesn't scale well for honest nodes that want to be superhubs for *hand-wavey reasons that ignore most-likely performance avenues*' | 18:48 |
| bramc | midnightmagic, What proof of storage is this? Something about keeping malicious peers from hogging peer connections? | 18:50 |
| midnightmagic | bramc: a way to try to ensure that a peer does in fact have the whole blockchain locally, it was posted to bitcoin-development by Sergio Lerner, and sergio contrasted his idea with greg's in order to facilitate 'easier' scaling up of the proof mechanism. | 18:52 |
| bramc | midnightmagic, Is there a link for this proof mechanism? | 18:53 |
| midnightmagic | bramc: as far as I understand it, it uses assymetric encryption using IP-based seeds so the verifier has an easier go of it and can't be as-easily attacked by equivalent horsepower. | 18:54 |
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| midnightmagic | bramc: it's the bitcoin-development mailing list. lemme find it one sec. | 18:54 |
| midnightmagic | http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/33602678/ | 18:54 |
| midnightmagic | for some reason he is adding CPU cycles on top of the costs required for the proof, to save some memory core. | 18:58 |
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| midnightmagic | or rather 'and saving some memory core' | 19:02 |
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| dgenr8 | if it works, it sounds like challenger could gain confidence that a blockchain copy was built in expectation of a particular IP being queried. that would seem to stop storageless blockchain proxies unless they were supported by somebody with storage. | 19:46 |
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| bramc | So I had a thought today about anyonecanpay. The same functionality can be implemented on the signature side, where in a transaction with multiple inputs some of the inputs some of the signatures sign something other than the complete list of inputs and outputs | 23:33 |
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| bramc | The cases appear to be (a) signatures signs everything (b) signature signs just their input and the output, and my new one for today (c) signature signs their input and a list of other inputs | 23:34 |
| bramc | and I guess (d) signature signs their input and at least one other input | 23:35 |
| bramc | As in, they're saying a specific other input must be included in the list but not requiring it be the only one | 23:35 |
| bramc | So really it's a single thing with options in it: Signer signs their own input, a list of other inputs, a boolean about whether there might be other inputs, and optionally the output | 23:36 |
| bramc | the output can similarly be a list of outputs and a boolean about whether that's the complete list | 23:37 |
| bramc | That seems like a good intuitive feature set to support | 23:37 |
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