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| gmaxwell | http://arxiv.org/abs/1404.3458 "The proposed polynomial basis allows that h-point polynomial evaluation can be computed in O(hlog2(h)) finite field operations with small leading constant." | 03:34 |
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| midnightmagic | lol | 04:15 |
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| Eliel | If I calculated correctly, for practical purposes, that means RS decoding efficinecy has gone up 300%+ (assuming h of at least 256) | 05:23 |
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| gmaxwell | Eliel: perhaps not that simple, small RS codes just use tables for multipling. The concrete performance numbers they gave are kind of suspect (the competing implementation sounds insanely slow). | 05:49 |
| gmaxwell | But certantly interesting to see something finally achieve the expected asymptotic complexity in GF2. | 05:51 |
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| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, did you see my hilarious realization? | 15:56 |
| phantomcircuit | you can actually build a pos consensus system.... but history isn't permanent | 15:57 |
| phantomcircuit | everybody agrees on what the new history is though | 15:57 |
| phantomcircuit | so | 15:57 |
| phantomcircuit | horray | 15:57 |
| jcorgan | we have always been at war with eastasia | 15:57 |
| phantomcircuit | jcorgan, heh | 15:57 |
| phantomcircuit | it was thinking of calling it paypal coin | 15:57 |
| phantomcircuit | and have the forking rules be that any conflicts destroy the conflicted coins entirely including their descendants | 15:58 |
| phantomcircuit | this is of course entirely useless | 15:58 |
| phantomcircuit | but technically provides a distributed consensus | 15:58 |
| phantomcircuit | oh and there's a pretty obvious dos issue | 15:59 |
| phantomcircuit | but *waves hands* | 15:59 |
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| Anduck | is it something like how ripple is trying to work? | 16:01 |
| phantomcircuit | Anduck, amusingly it's close to the same result but far simpler to implement | 16:01 |
| Anduck | you have to tell them about it (or stellar devs). i think stellar devs are trying to fix the consensus thing which is broken in ripple and in stellar | 16:02 |
| phantomcircuit | Anduck, i'd be pretty amused if they implemented this | 16:03 |
| phantomcircuit | since | 16:03 |
| phantomcircuit | <phantomcircuit> this is of course entirely useless | 16:03 |
| Anduck | hmm ahhm..yeah | 16:04 |
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| phantomcircuit | Anduck, it's amusing because it is technically a distributed consensus system | 16:14 |
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| Anduck | yeah i figured =) | 16:14 |
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| Anduck | phantomcircuit: if someone tried to double-spend the consensus would destroy the coins? | 16:17 |
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| petertodd | phantomcircuit: "you can actually build a pos consensus system.... but history isn't permanent" <- and now you understand why pos needs checkpoints... | 19:46 |
| phantomcircuit | petertodd, the checkpoints make the pos part irrelevant though | 19:47 |
| phantomcircuit | i suspect you could make pos work if the thing as stake wasn't the unit in the system | 19:48 |
| phantomcircuit | but probably that ends up looking like merged mining | 19:49 |
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| phantomcircuit | <Anduck> phantomcircuit: if someone tried to double-spend the consensus would destroy the coins? | 21:40 |
| phantomcircuit | or whatever the rule was | 21:40 |
| phantomcircuit | (that was the only one i could think of that made sense) | 21:41 |
| phantomcircuit | (for limited values of "sense") | 21:41 |
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| tdryja | Hi - I have a question for wizards if anyone's around | 23:52 |
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| tdryja | say you have 3 outputs, A, B, C | 23:52 |
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| tdryja | and 2 transactions, say tx1 and tx2 | 23:52 |
| tdryja | tx1 is A -> B | 23:53 |
| tdryja | tx2 is B -> C | 23:53 |
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| tdryja | assume output A is from a transaction a while ago and in a block | 23:54 |
| tdryja | I know that tx1 and tx2 can appear in the same block; that is, tx1 does not need to be confirmed for its outputs to be spent | 23:54 |
| Taek | this is probably a question for #bitcoin or #bitcoin-dev | 23:55 |
| tdryja | my question is, does tx1 need to appear before tx2 within the same block for the block to be valid | 23:55 |
| fluffypony | They can be chained, yes | 23:55 |
| tdryja | hm, OK maybe I'll take it to bitcoin dev, sorry! | 23:55 |
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| fluffypony | tdryja: transaction order within a block is irrelevant, all transactions are assumed to have happened at the same time | 23:57 |
| fluffypony | But yes, better suited to -dev | 23:57 |
| tdryja | thanks | 23:57 |
| fluffypony | (Although the fact that verifying tx2 requires verification of tx1 means they'll naturally be in order anyway) | 23:59 |
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