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| lmatteis | hello. is there a paper somewhere that explains how Namecoin works? | 02:13 |
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| fluffypony | lmatteis: #namecoin | 02:19 |
| fluffypony | or #namecoin-dev | 02:19 |
| lmatteis | thanks | 02:19 |
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| nsh | .title http://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/30wuxb/anyone_want_to_help_draft_some_cwes_for_elliptic/ | 02:52 |
| yoleaux | Anyone want to help draft some CWEs for Elliptic Curve Crypto? : crypto | 02:52 |
| nsh | (Common Weaknesses and Exposures) | 02:52 |
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| andytoshi | i think "known weak curve" is probably the only code worth having for curve parameters ... these things change as time ticks by and nobody is introducing known-broken curves to existing systems (are they?) | 07:44 |
| pigeons | the projects i know are scared and just using whatever NaCl supports (Curve25519 i guess) | 07:47 |
| gmaxwell | it's funny, because the NaCL implementation of signing with 25519 is some kind of adhoc, prestandard thing that doesn't match anything published. | 07:55 |
| pigeons | yeah i think its a "nobody got fired for using IBM" sort of thing | 07:57 |
| pigeons | everybody else is doing it, and we can appeal to djb as an authority | 07:58 |
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| gmaxwell | DJB is indeed awsome, but he's just one dude; its not like his code has been bugless. And his code is often very hard to review. I suspect people doing that probably haven't completely thought through what happens if things do go wrong; its easy to throw rocks at just using nacl. | 08:00 |
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| andytoshi | mmhmm, i recall some "random from [0, .. 2^255-19)" code posted here which was so bitshifty, long and uncommented that i said it was "probably backdoored" ... then we tracked it back to SUPERCOP/ed25519 (meaning djb had written it, and this was also our first clue it was doing modular reduction) and i revised it to "probably not". but tbh i couldn't tell and didn't want to wade through it ... if i | 08:09 |
| andytoshi | was doing code review with him i'd make him add sipa-style invariant comments to every line at least | 08:09 |
| andytoshi | actually maybe it wasn't 2^255-19, it'd be crazy then to not just generate 255 random bits.. | 08:11 |
| gmaxwell | Yes, he writes a lot of code thats very difficulty to review. It's also almost always correct (certantly moreso than anything I write). But not always. :( | 08:18 |
| andytoshi | ah, it was 2^252 + 27742317777372353535851937790883648493 ... the discussion was on the mornintg of 2014-06-06, https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizards/2014-06-06.html starting from 16:08:57 | 08:20 |
| gmaxwell | yea, that function is a doozy. lol | 08:28 |
| gmaxwell | https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/blob/296ae46ed8f8f6e5f986f978febad302e3df231a/src/crypto/crypto-ops.c#L1609 | 08:28 |
| fluffypony | sc_reduce is headache-worthy | 08:29 |
| Anduck | that's sick | 08:30 |
| fluffypony | I love how MRL-0003 reduces that entire thing down to 2 sentences - | 08:30 |
| fluffypony | 4.1.11 sc_reduce | 08:30 |
| fluffypony | Takes a 64-byte integer and outputs the lowest 32 bytes modulo the prime q. This is not a CryptoNote-specific function, but comes from the standard ed25519 library. | 08:30 |
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| hearn | it's like he said "magic numbers? i love magic shows!" | 08:34 |
| andytoshi | hehe | 08:35 |
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| fluffypony | everyone saw the TrueCrypt report, right? | 08:36 |
| fluffypony | http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2015/04/truecrypt-report.html | 08:36 |
| fluffypony | makes for interesting reading | 08:36 |
| fluffypony | tl;dr - TrueCrypt is basically well designed, bar some Windows PRNG issues | 08:37 |
| gielbier | fluffypony haven't seen it yet, thx for the link | 08:39 |
| gmaxwell | I don't think there are any unexplained magic numbers in libsecp256k1, unless you count test vectors. (if you happen to find any, whine.) | 08:40 |
| kanzure | i have been meaning to find an excuse to use https://github.com/Z3Prover/z3 | 08:44 |
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| gmaxwell | any more formal analysis on libsecp256k1 would be awesome. | 08:46 |
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| kanzure | hmm what public/private keys have been baked into asics before? is there a scheme resistant to scanning electron microscopy reading the private key? | 17:28 |
| kanzure | for example: maybe each chip individually has a different private key assigned to it, perhaps a child key from the manufacturer. | 17:28 |
| kanzure | (merely asking because i have spontaneously forgotten these things, and not because i have a project in mind) | 17:28 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, you mean in general or with bitcoin asics? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | general | 17:29 |
| kanzure | i've definitely seen some people lifting private keys by looking at transistor layouts, where the private key was the same for all chips apparently. unfortunately i forget where i saw this.. | 17:29 |
| phantomcircuit | a tpm will generally have an rng and generate all of it's keys internally | 17:29 |
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| phantomcircuit | if there needs to be attestation or the like the manufacturer signs the public key before the device leaves the factory | 17:30 |
| phantomcircuit | kanzure, sure people do that with things like HDCP | 17:30 |
| phantomcircuit | where the security is fake and the points dont matter | 17:30 |
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