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| bsm117532 | I've been thinking about making a *fundamentally* merge-mined chain. e.g. rather than mine against a single Merkle root on a single chain, make a list of several of them and mine it. That way the mined block would be acceptable on multiple chains, but this grows as O(N) in the number of chains you want to merge-mine. | 04:48 |
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| bsm117532 | So I had the idea to mine against a Bloom filter of these Merkle roots from the different trees instead. | 04:48 |
| Luke-Jr | bsm117532: the problems now are that 1) bloom filters have false positives, 2) you lose unique values | 04:51 |
| bsm117532 | I ran some numbers and found that... | 04:51 |
| bsm117532 | Bloom filters do have false positives, but you can adjust it by making the bloom filter bigger. | 04:52 |
| Luke-Jr | with 1), someone can "mine" for a "collision"; with 2), the miner can hide multiple conflicting blocks in the bloom filter | 04:52 |
| bsm117532 | So I ran some numbers so as to make that statistically unlikely. | 04:52 |
| bsm117532 | What I seem to be finding is that by the time you get the error rate low enough, your Bloom filter is basically the same size or larger as the original list of hashes that it's storing. | 04:53 |
| Luke-Jr | I think for that you really need statistical impracticality, not merely unlikely :p | 04:53 |
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| Luke-Jr | yeah, that's what I'd expect ;) | 04:53 |
| Luke-Jr | bsm117532: is this part of a longer explanation and I should just let you finish? ;) | 04:54 |
| bsm117532 | That's basically it. | 04:54 |
| Luke-Jr | ok | 04:54 |
| bsm117532 | I thought it was mildly interesting, so I thought I'd share. | 04:54 |
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| Luke-Jr | well, I've never tried it, but yeah, somewhat interesting to hear firsthand | 04:55 |
| bsm117532 | I was looking at e.g a Bloom filter with 512 bits, an error rate of 1e-32, but it only stores 3-256 bit hashes | 04:56 |
| bsm117532 | That's the "optimal" filter with those parameters. | 04:57 |
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| pigeons | https://github.com/ripple/ripple-download/commit/0775af4902c1380ff3c6f6ae7e2d4a2721c3c6d8 | 08:09 |
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| fluffypony | pigeons: so what license is it under, then? | 08:17 |
| pigeons | all rights reserved | 08:17 |
| * fluffypony twitches | 08:18 | |
| andytoshi | o.O | 08:18 |
| pigeons | i love the RL response to the question | 08:18 |
| phantomcircuit | pigeons, they lobbied themselves into a corner trying to lobby against bitcoin | 08:19 |
| phantomcircuit | comical | 08:19 |
| pigeons | looks like it should just refer to that html download page, but their response is weird | 08:24 |
| fluffypony | if they remove it from the page text then that seems preemptive for removing it from the actual source? | 08:24 |
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| pigeons | the person pointing it out to made it seem they were relicensing the daemon source, but that doesnt appear to be the case, sorry | 08:26 |
| andytoshi | if it isn't the case they sholud say that on the commit.. | 08:32 |
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| pigeons | yes its weird | 08:38 |
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| SrPx | Hello, please be aware a specific community is planning an attempt to "troll" this channel. | 11:46 |
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| phantomcircuit | SrPx, lots of them try that virtually everyday | 11:47 |
| SrPx | Okay. I'm just reporting. | 11:47 |
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