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| nsh | gmaxwell, zooko``, daira1: passed on your interest in CREMA to Jacob Torrey, perhaps he'll come to discuss it here; else there is [an underpopoulated] #langsec | 01:39 |
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| StephenM347 | If a transaction spends from two outputs with same P2PKH address, then will the SignatureHash (SIGHASH) when signing each of the inputs individually be the same? | 08:38 |
| StephenM347 | I assume not | 08:38 |
| StephenM347 | Asking because someone found this interesting transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/9ec4bc49e828d924af1d1029cacf709431abbde46d59554b62bc270e3b29c4b1 | 08:38 |
| StephenM347 | It has signatures with the same R values | 08:39 |
| StephenM347 | Wondering if it has anything to do with RFC 6979 (deterministic signatures), or if the signer was using bad software that used the same k value in signing | 08:40 |
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| wumpus | deterministic signing will indeed generate the same signature twice for the same input data and key. But if it concerns different inputs, different data should be being signed. | 08:46 |
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| StephenM347 | wumpus: makes sense, that transaction must have signed using the same k value | 09:00 |
| StephenM347 | to get the same R | 09:00 |
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| maaku | StephenM347: the input data would not be the same | 11:35 |
| maaku | *the message being signed | 11:36 |
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| StephenM347 | maaku: Thanks, that's what I though | 11:37 |
| StephenM347 | thought | 11:37 |
| maaku | StephenM347: specifically the outpoint of the inputs would be different | 11:37 |
| maaku | different txid:n | 11:37 |
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| akrmn | As far as I understand, the lightning network is a way of enforcing bitcoin contracts where each transaction in the contract can happen instantaneously. Now, how flexible are these contracts? Can the contract be to put the bitcoin on a sidechain and bring it back when some condition is met? | 12:12 |
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| ajweiss | does anyone in here know of any fully open source (no binary drivers) mobile phones that are available in the us? | 12:32 |
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| gmaxwell | ajweiss: I think no such beast exists; even the FirefoxOS stuff repackages binary drivers from android because thats the only way to get hardware compatiblity at the moment. | 12:40 |
| gmaxwell | (it wasn't something that could just be fixed until Mozilla has more leverage with hardware makers) | 12:40 |
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| * helo rehashes baseband discussion | 12:42 | |
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| ajweiss | is that still true even if you say "forget the baseband"? | 12:46 |
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| akrmn1 | I would like to buy a tablet that has the same size and ear speaker as a phone, and just use VoIP. I wonder if there's any good options now. | 12:47 |
| ajweiss | well i'd just like a phone sized device with a working camera and display that is foss. it would make an excellent platform for a secure wallet. | 12:48 |
| akrmn1 | ya true | 12:49 |
| ajweiss | all the android devices have silly binary blobs. although there are foss drivers for the display for some.. | 12:49 |
| ajweiss | but really what you need is the camera | 12:49 |
| ajweiss | or... even the audio | 12:50 |
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| ggreer | did you guys see the papers about building time-lock encryption using the blockchain + witness encryption? | 13:48 |
| ggreer | http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/482 | 13:48 |
| ggreer | http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/478 | 13:49 |
| zooko | ggreer: https://twitter.com/socrates1024/status/603027090942767104 | 13:54 |
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| gmaxwell | It's come up in here before... but trusted setup makes it much less interesting! | 13:56 |
| gmaxwell | (well the papers haven't but that application of witness encryption has) | 13:56 |
| maaku | i got very excited until i saw the trusted setup :( | 13:57 |
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| gmaxwell | maaku: andytoshi has an informal general argument posted someplace that seems pretty convincing that any kind of obfscuation will need trusted setup. | 13:59 |
| gmaxwell | Doesn't make it useless, but the gap over e.g. N of M IBM cryptocards that remote attest to their config and release keys on time; is smaller but substantial: in particular even with trusted _setup_ it removes an availablity attack. | 14:01 |
| maaku | right | 14:03 |
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| maaku | but it's not the holy grail of awesomeness it looked like at first ;) | 14:03 |
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| gmaxwell | At a protocol level doing a timelock with the bitcoin blockchain is at best non-interactive-SPV secure, with no fraud proof. | 14:04 |
| gmaxwell | so that would be the other limit. | 14:05 |
| Luke-Jr | is a fraud proof needed for this? | 14:06 |
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| gmaxwell | It's just a limitation. There is SPV security (trusts the longest chain that you can go out and fined, which is the longest one given a non-parititioning assumption), and non-interactive-SPV-with-fraud-proofs (trusts a sufficiently long chain you've been given, but have an oppturnity to learn about a longer one before its too late (which is the same as the longest given an even stronger non-censo | 14:10 |
| gmaxwell | rship/non-partitioning assumption), vs trust any sufficiently long chain you've been given, regardless of if its the longest or not. If this matters depends on if you're trying to just 'merge-mine' a computational timelock or if you're counting on bitcoin's adaptive difficulty control to make a very long term timelock viable. | 14:10 |
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| gmaxwell | In the latter case, the fact that someone could feed the blackbox a fork is a significant limitation. | 14:10 |
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| robogoat | Or just publically accessible? | 20:03 |
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