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| www | hi | 00:01 |
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| www | can you encrypt/decrypt messages using Secp256k1 ? | 00:01 |
| www | i have heard conflicting statements - who knows for sure? | 00:08 |
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| fluffypony | www: secp256k1 is *just* an elliptic curve | 00:13 |
| fluffypony | that said, you can use ECIES | 00:13 |
| fluffypony | (Elliptic Curve Integrated Encryption Scheme) | 00:13 |
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| fluffypony | here's an implementation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627927.0 | 00:14 |
| fluffypony | here's another one: https://github.com/planetbeing/bitcoin-encrypt | 00:14 |
| fluffypony | both use ECIES | 00:14 |
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| www | thanks fluffypony | 00:16 |
| www | 'a little known elliptic curve encryption system using ECDH and a Symmetric Cipher ' | 00:16 |
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| amiller | that seems a lot like DHAES https://www.iacr.org/cryptodb/data/paper.php?pubkey=11329 | 00:40 |
| amiller | if you really want to stick within bitcoin crypto | 00:41 |
| fluffypony | it's an improvement on DHAES | 00:42 |
| fluffypony | from 2 or 3 years later | 00:42 |
| amiller | you could chain sha256s together for your symmetric crypto | 00:42 |
| fluffypony | http://www.shoup.net/papers/iso-2_1.pdf | 00:42 |
| fluffypony | "ECIES has been standardized in ANSI X9.63, IEEE 1363a, ISO/IEC 18033-2, and SECG SEC-1" | 00:43 |
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| nsh | .wik Forking lemma | 01:23 |
| yoleaux | "The forking lemma is any of a number of related lemmas in cryptography research." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forking_lemma | 01:23 |
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| waxwing | Electrum is using ECIES now, plus other things too, i forgot .. maybe subspace? | 05:48 |
| waxwing | disclaimer: i have the memory of a goldfish | 05:48 |
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| fluffypony | waxwing: I believe it's all telepathy nowadays | 05:53 |
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| waxwing | yeah, it was subspace i was thinking of | 05:57 |
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| kanzure | waxwing: perhaps it was mentioned in http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/gmaxwell-bitcoin-selection-cryptography/ | 07:04 |
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| waxwing | kanzure: i know that story quite intimately 'cos i was the one who alerted gmaxwell to it here on IRC :) | 07:05 |
| waxwing | i just have a feelign that it's been redone on electrum, but properly. i may be imagining that though | 07:05 |
| waxwing | as for subspace, they are using ECIES via pyelliptic | 07:05 |
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| instagibbs | falsehoods must be spread in *latex* form *wags finger at jgarzik BIP100 pdf* | 07:15 |
| instagibbs | Checking namecoin github... namecoin hasn't had a merge in half a year AFAICT. Namecore(?) is much more active. | 07:17 |
| instagibbs | (not calling your bip falsehood, just goofing) | 07:18 |
| zooko | I've been chatting with Namecoin devs who told me that they were working on stuff. | 07:18 |
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| zooko | But I didn't look at commit logs. | 07:18 |
| instagibbs | dunno, just reporting my 10 second google search :) | 07:19 |
| instagibbs | makes me an expert | 07:19 |
| zooko | :-) | 07:19 |
| zooko | More than me! | 07:19 |
| zooko | Or, we're different kinds of experts. | 07:19 |
| zooko | amiller: it seems to me that Namecoin has never (yet) offered the actual functionality that is its suppose added functionality on top of being a currency. | 07:20 |
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| zooko | Because, that functionality requires being accessible+integrated into the web browsers of hundreds of millions of normal users. | 07:20 |
| zooko | And Namecoin has never (yet) done that. | 07:20 |
| midnightmagic | namecoin is not where the current namecoin developers are doing their work and is essentially abandoned. | 07:22 |
| instagibbs | that was my only reasonable interpretation of zooko and my observations :) | 07:23 |
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| instagibbs | midnightmagic: any details on where then? I'd like to follow the work | 07:26 |
| midnightmagic | yep. i believe right here is where miners are supposed to get their namecoind from: https://github.com/namecoin/namecore.git | 07:29 |
| instagibbs | thanks. Alright back to work | 07:31 |
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| zooko | midnightmagic: thanks! | 07:36 |
| * nsh squares zooko's bar tab | 07:40 | |
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| * zooko looks askance at nsh | 07:41 | |
| zooko | huh? | 07:41 |
| nsh | i can't square your circle, but i can pay for you drinks | 07:41 |
| zooko | :-) | 07:41 |
| nsh | it was a silly gesture of friendship :) | 07:41 |
| zooko | Thanks! | 07:41 |
| nsh | np | 07:42 |
| nsh | *triangle even | 07:42 |
| zooko | I was thinking of visiting UK soon, but it looks like I might be headed for S. Korea instead ... | 07:42 |
| nsh | ah | 07:42 |
| nsh | for recreation or ? | 07:42 |
| zooko | Okay, my 5 year old is waiting for me to play Minecraft with him so he can show me a new house he has constructed... | 07:42 |
| zooko | nsh: yes! | 07:42 |
| zooko | ;-) | 07:42 |
| zooko | bye for now! | 07:42 |
| nsh | hope you have fun :) | 07:42 |
| nsh | o/ | 07:43 |
| fluffypony | lol nsh | 07:43 |
| * fluffypony got the squaring joke | 07:43 | |
| * nsh smiles | 07:44 | |
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| mrkent | Any well documented descriptions of what happened with the testnet fork a few weeks back? | 11:36 |
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| MRL-Relay | [shen] www perhaps see https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/34567/ecc-in-openpgp | 11:40 |
| MRL-Relay | [shen] oops didn't scroll to bottom | 11:40 |
| MRL-Relay | [shen] :p | 11:40 |
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