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kanzure | ". Even a modest deceleration of Moore's law can have a dramatic effect: a five per cent reduction in the pace of gate-length shrinkage -- from 16 percent to 11 per cent per year -- increases the available time to develop products within a technology generation by 50 per cent, from two years up to three." | 12:25 |
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gmaxwell | kanzure: did you see the link I shared yesturday in #bitcoin? Intel is slipping their 10nm node shirnk substantially. :( | 13:34 |
kanzure | nope didn't see, whoops | 13:35 |
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prosodyContext | mooreasz blawme, wioerrae dblawme,, | 17:43 |
prosodyContext | wmar° | 17:44 |
prosodyContext | -mizards | 17:47 |
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M-_mis | —mizards, _mwizards'' ' ...mwetry #— and er or iirc broke, mwatrix.org mworks abvut.. .( | 18:09 |
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MatrixBridge | <M-_mis> posted an image: http://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/rjrMBxqTFlopcCZUlDoxBcUK - Screenshot from 2015-07-16 21:11:50.png (4320KB) | 18:10 |
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prosodyContext | :∫ | 18:37 |
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MatrixBridge | <M-_mis> posted an image: http://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ZIMvoRVwLLLnMaBFlArllqNa - Screenshot from 2015-07-16 21:41:56.png (1918KB) | 18:41 |
gmaxwell | What is that? and why shouldn't I ban it? | 18:41 |
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prosodyContext | Your mistake(?. #WhatWouldCountingDo? #Cryptoempathy? #Microempathy? Listenbing? | 18:43 |
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prosodyContext | (Serry I∫ ionttearupted ur group order bitinterrogangbanglil) | 18:45 |
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rusty | May I ask a(nother) dumb q? Why is 160 bits good enough for bitcoin addresses, and does the same logic apply to things like atomic swaps (or, Lightning network transfers)? | 19:16 |
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Luke-Jr | rusty: 2^160 is hard to bruteforce? | 19:22 |
rusty | Luke-Jr: not as hard as 256 bits :) | 19:23 |
rusty | Luke-Jr: I'm guessing the logic runs something like "there are less than 2^32 addresses in the utxo set at any time, so it's still > 2^128 attempts to steal funds". | 19:25 |
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Luke-Jr | rusty: but 256 bits makes more letters | 19:31 |
rusty | Luke-Jr: Of course. But 160 makes more letters than 64 too.... | 19:32 |
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rusty | Luke-Jr: that's why I was interested in the tradeoffs. | 19:33 |
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Taek | What if, after the IBD, instead of storing the whole blockchain, nodes only stored some random fountain-coded subset of each block? Like 1% or something. | 23:44 |
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gmaxwell | Taek: then someone would have to find 200 nodes to connect to to have a good chance of recovering blocks, and pruning to less than 1% wouldn't be possible? | 23:49 |
gmaxwell | I guess this would address the 'locator problem', OTOH the block data stored that way would _only_ be useful for IBD, not any other purpose, which is a bit of a bummer. | 23:50 |
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Taek | locator problem? Also, not sure what you mean about the pruning. | 23:51 |
Taek | presumably, if you wanted the whole blockchain more more things than just verification, you'd run different software. I'm just trying to get the impact of running a full validating node down. | 23:51 |
gmaxwell | Taek: figuring out what nodes have what blocks, efficiently. | 23:51 |
Taek | ah | 23:52 |
gmaxwell | Taek: prior proposal was to just store a desterminstic subset of blocks, efficiently signaled. | 23:52 |
gmaxwell | one issue with fountain codes is that if someone craps up the data you'll just fail the decode... you can't tell which peers gave you bad data until you can recover the block... bit annoying to recover from. | 23:53 |
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Taek | hmm yeah. Especially if you are depending on 100+ nodes to not be malicious | 23:54 |
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gmaxwell | if they had a fair proportion of the nodes as sybil attackers, it could be really substantially jammed. | 23:57 |
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gmaxwell | As once there is more than one invalid peer there is a combinitoric explosion. There might be a fast algorithim for excluding groups of conflicting nodes, if you can greatly oversample. | 23:58 |
gmaxwell | e.g. maybe with the right scheme we could make stronger results about your ability to be successful if you fetch from 800 nodes. | 23:59 |
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