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| jonasschnelli | Is it possible to implement a socket authentication based on ECDSA? Example:... | 11:35 |
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| jonasschnelli | Client knows a ec pubkey of server. | 11:36 |
| jonasschnelli | Server only want's to talk with clients who know a/the pubkey (a bip32 special keypath like m/123'123') | 11:37 |
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| jonasschnelli | Sending a challenge/nonce from the client to the server, sign on the server and verify on the client would be possible. though... | 11:39 |
| MRL-Relay | [othe] did you look at bitauth? | 11:40 |
| * jonasschnelli is looking at bitpays bitauth | 11:40 | |
| jonasschnelli | MRL-Relay: looks interesting. It's probably ECDH in the background and not ECDSA. | 11:42 |
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| jonasschnelli | The thing is, with RSA i would just encrypt a hash of the whole request with the pubkey and decrypt the hash on the server and verify... but with EC it seems not possible (at least not with ECDSA) | 11:43 |
| MRL-Relay | [othe] its based on the sin stuff from jgarzik imho (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Identity_protocol_v1) which uses ecdsa and a master pub key | 11:44 |
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| jonasschnelli | sounds interesting... looking at it | 11:46 |
| jonasschnelli | MRL-Relay: thanks for the info! | 11:47 |
| MRL-Relay | [othe] no problem | 11:48 |
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| jonasschnelli | MRL-Relay: it seems that you know the bitauth system. As far as i see responses are not signed in any way. How would this prevent a MITM attack (temper the response)? | 12:30 |
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| MRL-Relay | [othe] from what i remember it signs each request and also includes a nonce against replay attacks, but i am not too familar with it | 12:35 |
| jonasschnelli | If i'm right the nonce only prevents a MITM attack where an attacker tampers the request and resends it. | 12:36 |
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| MRL-Relay | [othe] no every nonce is valid once | 12:37 |
| MRL-Relay | [othe] the server checks if the nonce was already used | 12:37 |
| jonasschnelli | Yeah. Right. But someone (MITM) could fetch the response and change it's body. | 12:39 |
| MRL-Relay | [othe] everything is signed, url+request body etc, how would u change sth | 12:44 |
| jonasschnelli | MRL-Relay: the request is signed and therefore tamper prove. But i could change the the response from the server to the client if i'm able to do MITM? | 12:50 |
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| MRL-Relay | [othe] i bet thats also signed ;) | 13:08 |
| jonasschnelli | on the current codebase it's not... | 13:12 |
| MRL-Relay | [othe] pretty sure the client checks the signature and compares the pubkey with the sin received at the first handshake or sth like that - u are better of asking jgarzik tho :) i just looked it when it came out | 13:16 |
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| roasbeef | jonasschnelli: sounds like a use case for some form of EC-based PAKE (password authenticated key exchange) | 16:11 |
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| HM | roasbeef, shame there aren;t any that are widely accepted and standardised | 17:24 |
| HM | let alone implemented | 17:24 |
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| CodeShark | what's your main concern with SNARKs, phantomcircuit? security? efficiency? both? | 17:52 |
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| phantomcircuit | CodeShark, security; the odds of a total break seems pretty high | 18:04 |
| phantomcircuit | but now im off to do thing | 18:05 |
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| roasbeef | HM: there's an implementation of SPAKE2 in Chromium using which uses secp224r1: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/chromium/+/master/crypto/p224_spake.h | 18:07 |
| roasbeef | and I think Pond uses some variant of EKE2 | 18:07 |
| roasbeef | (as far as implementation goes) | 18:07 |
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