2015-07-24.log

--- Log opened Fri Jul 24 00:00:20 2015
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jonasschnellijcorgan: (jonasschnelli: i don't know the exact key path but i do know it is know bip44): You mean it's not bip44?01:12
jonasschnelliYeah. It can't be.01:13
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nshdon't advertise here, thanks.03:36
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lmatteisis there an algorithm that takes a specific amount of time to compute, and can't be made quicker/slower with more CPU?05:46
nshsure, there's the algorithm which hashes tomorrow's new york post frontpage article headline05:49
lmatteishrm interesting05:50
lmatteishow about hashing the a future epoch time05:50
lmatteiswhich is not known now? lol05:50
* lmatteis doesn't know how time works05:50
nshno-one knows how time works05:51
lmatteisisn't there like an epoch number, which is not known know, but only gets to us when time comes?05:51
lmatteishrm05:51
nshno05:52
lmatteishow about measuring stars exact position05:52
lmatteishrm05:52
lmatteislike we can't really predict the stars position with *complete* accuracy (i believe)05:53
nshif there were cryptographic beacon satellites, we could envision a cryptosystem whereby you can protect something with information that will only become extant at some roughly-exact future conjunction05:53
nshbut we don't have those, as far as i know05:53
nshthe stars don't do much that can't be simulated05:53
nshmaybe pulsars, but i think they're pretty predictable too05:53
lmatteisno but they can be checked05:53
lmatteisone sec05:53
nshyou may be failing to appreciate how little it matters that you can check something at a certain time if someone can simulate the conditions sooner05:53
lmatteisbut they can't predict the exact position 100% accurately05:54
lmatteisso ok imagine this05:54
lmatteisa block is mined every 10 mins, and it is mined based on the position of a star05:54
lmatteiswhich is hashed with the block05:54
lmatteispeople only accept blocks where the position of that star is accurate at that time05:54
nshand then what?05:56
lmatteiswell you have consensus on a chain without energy consumption05:56
lmatteisi think :)05:56
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lmatteisobviously to check the exact position of stars we'd need telescopes or something05:57
lmatteisbut that can still be decentralized05:57
lmatteis(anybody can buy a telescope)05:57
lmatteisis what i'm saying sensible ?05:58
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lmatteisto rewrite history of the chain you'd have to disagree with the star's path06:00
lmatteislet's call it Proof-of-Star lol06:01
lmatteisalso interesting properties stars have06:01
lmatteis(or other objects)06:01
lmatteisminers can predict the stars position every 10 minutes06:02
lmatteisthe one who got closer, wins the block06:02
lmatteisalthough that wouldn't work maybe06:02
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lmatteishrm i dunno i'm just rambling maybe06:02
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lmatteisbut anyway, my initial idea was that if we find something that always takes say 10 minutes to compute, to rewrite history one would have redo the time - so instead of being "work" based, it is "time" based06:03
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lmatteisnsh: you can simulate stars position sooner yes, but stars position are such a decentralized witnessing event that it would be hard to reach consensus on a chain that contains wrong star coordinates06:06
lmatteisalthough there would be no real way to independently prove the validity of the chain without a telescope06:07
lmatteis(unlike bitcoin, where all you need is the chain itself)06:07
lmatteisbut it's still cool that the validity can happen "independently" no?06:08
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bsm117532lmatteis: you want a trusted cryptographic timestamp server: https://tsa.safecreative.org/06:36
bsm117532And you're back to a trustful system.06:36
lmatteisyeah06:37
bsm117532If you want something unpredictable, you have to use quantum mechanics.  There are numerous physical RNG devices.06:37
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bsm117532https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator06:38
bsm117532But again, you're stuck trusting the entity with the timestamp server or centralized hardware RNG06:38
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lmatteisbsm117532: right but my point was about a star's path. it's an event anybody can witness and verify. if a blockchain hashed the position of a star at specific intervals, that would be an interesting way to reach consensus06:42
lmatteisthere's still the problem, as nsh said, to verify whether past blocks actually contain valid coordinates of the star (one could just lie about past coordinates)06:43
lmatteisbut given the magnitude of the event - anybody can record the path's position - it would be hard to lie about it06:43
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bsm117532It's predictable.06:47
lmatteisas far as i've read, not to extreme accuracy as measurements06:47
bsm117532Doesn't matter.  It's also not observable to extreme accuracy.06:48
lmatteisit can be measured to an extreme accuracy for all people on earth06:49
lmatteisand even if it's predicted06:50
lmatteisone can still pull out their telescope, and see that the star hasn't arrived at that predicted spot yet06:50
bsm117532If it's predictable I can falsify future records.06:50
lmatteisno06:50
lmatteisas i just explained06:50
bsm117532I'm not sure what you're getting at.06:50
lmatteisif you send me a block that contains a coordinate of the star in the future06:50
bsm117532Stars move so slowly that this is impractical unless you want to create a block once per millenia06:50
lmatteisas a validating node, i have a telescope and will refute that block because i can see for myself that the star hasn't arrived there yet06:51
lmatteisok let's imagine something else then06:51
lmatteismaybe planet's paths06:51
bsm117532NASA has extremely good predictive codes for that.06:51
lmatteisthe point i'm trying to make is that these contain pieces of information anybody in the world can independently verify06:52
lmatteisand might be used to achieve consensus06:52
bsm117532How?06:52
lmatteisbsm117532: it doesn't matter whether you can predict them do you understand?06:52
lmatteisas i just told you:06:52
lmatteislmatteis> as a validating node, i have a telescope and will refute that block because i can see for myself that the star hasn't arrived there yet06:52
bsm117532It matters very much that it can't be predicted.06:52
bsm117532Bitcoin's mining is essentially a RNG.06:52
lmatteisbut people can verify that's a *prediction*06:52
lmatteisbecause they look at the star06:53
bsm117532I can also verify the next number in the sequence 1,2,3,4,5 is 6.  how does that help with consensus?06:53
lmatteisstars/planets/cosmic objects add the concept of *time* to the picture06:54
bsm117532There are much better ways to measure time.06:54
lmatteisit happens at a specific time, witness-able by anybody on earth.06:54
jcorganjonasschnelli: sorry, i mistyped, i meant that it wasn't bip4406:55
jonasschnellijcorgan: Yeah. Though so. :)06:55
bsm117532Consensus requires us to select someone to update the ledger. Time doesn't give that to you.06:55
kanzurelmatteis: you can withhold blocks that you have mined. you don't have to relay them.06:56
lmatteiskanzure: what?06:56
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kanzureyou don't have to relay a block. therefore you can just generate the sequence ahead-of-time.06:56
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kanzurealso, i don't think "a star's position" is a good signal of entropy06:57
lmatteisyou guys are thinking too bitcoin-alike06:57
kanzureplus, you can just move stars anyway06:57
kanzurelmatteis: what is your goal?06:57
lmatteisyou can move stars!?06:57
kanzure... duh?06:58
lmatteisok here's the algorithm06:58
kanzurewhat was your goal, again?06:59
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lmatteisi look at the star in question with a telescope. record its exact position. then i fill it with transactions and look for an earlier block which contains the coordinates in the past of the star in question.07:00
lmatteisother validate my block because they check for themselves that the star passed by that "coordinate" i recorded07:01
lmatteisnow of course other 100 people would be doing the same, with effectively slightly different coordinates07:02
lmatteis(because they measured it at slightly different times)07:02
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lmatteisyeah i guess it doesn't work07:05
lmatteis:)07:05
bsm117532And because star motions are slow and extremely linear, every participant can extrapolate the star's position with high accuracy for the next 100 years, and every participant can produce their own set of blocks.  You might as well have used 1,2,3,4,5... by the time there's enough variation in a star's position that it becomes unpredictable, 1000 years have passed.07:05
lmatteisyeah i mean, also all the people that recorded a coordinate could broadcast their own block - who's to decide which block to choose?07:08
bsm117532Exaaaaaactly.  That's what mining does, and it's mining that creates consensus.07:09
bsm117532It's a PRNG that selects the next ledger update.  You can use other (centralized, non-byzantine resistant) mechanisms to decide who updates the ledger too. (e.g. round-robin)07:10
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CoinMuncher1lol... nice to see the coin drop, eventually.07:59
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Eliellmatteis: I think the biggest problem with star position is that it's not verifiable after the measurement time without trusting someone.10:20
Elielalso, all participants would need ridiculously (impossibly?) accurate measuring systems to have enough entropy.10:22
* Eliel just started wondering about a fractal based PoW algo where the mining process actually compresses the actual transaction data by looking for parts of the actual transaction in the fractal.10:31
Elielit'd have a nice property of making transactions take less space as difficulty is increased.10:32
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Eliel... that is, if it's at all feasible.10:33
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kanzureEliel: sounds like a compresison algorithm.10:35
Elielyep, pretty much10:35
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CoinMuncher1Eliel sounds cool, but when is the compression "done" ? The first one that reaches some percentage?10:54
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CoinMuncher1And what's to prevent a miner from putting some easily compressable transactions in the block?10:56
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ElielCoinMuncher1: I see you realized why the percentage is problematic. I don't have an alternative to propose, so that's why I'm wondering if it's feasible at all.10:59
CoinMuncher1Well, it's one of those PoW-alternatives that has crossed my mind sometime too, but I never put more though into it than this, so just saying.11:00
Elielalthough, it wouldn't be a problem because miners could put those in blocks. It'd be a problem because then the difficulty would be hard to tune.11:01
CoinMuncher1Yeah think so too. Would be cool to give it a try sometime though. Not necessarily as a PoW alternative, but in general.11:03
tromp_new motto for cuckoo cycle: 1 memory bank + 1 virtual core = 1 vote11:07
Elieltromp_: what does the virtual core mean in that?11:09
tromp_if you turn on hyperthreading on intel cpus, then a core that's waiting for memory can switch to another thread11:09
tromp_some  sparc cpus can do that at even larger factors than 211:10
Elielah right, I think I read about a CPU that had 4 instruction queues that did that with 4 threads at once.11:10
tromp_so virtual core is like threads that can have simultaneous outstanding memory read requests11:11
Elielso, cuckoo cycle favours processors with lots of virtual cores.11:11
tromp_oh yes11:11
tromp_the more the merrier11:12
tromp_up to the point where you saturate all your memory banks11:12
tromp_which is why it wldnt run well on gpus11:13
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Elielbecause gpus are bad at random access?11:13
tromp_bad at random *global* memory access11:13
ElielI suppose the optimal system for cuckoo cycle would have the processor run at about the same frequency as the memory.11:15
tromp_memory freq only relevant for sequential access11:16
tromp_memory banks have long latency when they need to switch rows11:16
Elielalthough, you could get by with a pretty small instruction set for the processor cores.11:16
tromp_doesn't take a fast core to keep up with that (by generating rnd address from siphash)11:17
Elielis there any consideration for forcing the inevitable ASICs to at least be general purpose?11:17
tromp_dram is the asic for cuckoo cycle11:18
ElielI think it's inevitable that someone will make a chip with both memory and barely good enough CPU on the same chip.11:18
tromp_custom memories for cuckoo cycle are expected to be too expensive to be economically competitive11:19
tromp_eg. look at static ram, 10x faster, but 100x more expensive11:20
tromp_and that's not even custom11:21
ElielI'm not very familiar with the technical limitations, but it sounds likely that we'll see a commodity chip that's CPU + memory on one chip sooner or later.11:21
tromp_we already have many caches on cpus:)11:22
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Elieltrue, the caches are big enough in themselves that people would've drooled on the chips for just that in 1990s.11:23
tromp_putting 1GB DRAM on a cpu chip is not gonna make random access much faster11:23
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thesnarkEliel: I have studied fractal addressing in P2P networks. I think that if you implemented that idea properly it would make for a suitable consensus mechanism.11:57
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Elielthesnark: do you think it'd also achieve the secondary goal and actually compress the blockchain?11:58
thesnarkEliel: it's a long shot, but yes12:00
thesnarkI could see that working actually12:00
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wwwis there an implementation for BIP47 (reusable payment codes) already?12:17
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samsamoaNew here, tell me if I'm in the wrong place.  What are the incentives that prevent miners from arbitrarily increasing the block reward?13:44
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nshsamsamoa, it would not be accepted by other nodes on the network. the block reward amount is a hardcoded function of the block-height13:55
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samsamoanah, I get that a single miner couldn't do this.  but could miners increase the block reward by consensus?14:02
samsamoansh, just like they could presumably increase the block size by consensus14:03
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gwillensamsamoa: they can't exactly do either. Even if all miners together decided to change those hardcoded constraints, other nodes would ignore those blocks14:08
gwillenso e.g. all the exchanges and merchants would just not see the bad blocks being generated by the rebel miners14:09
gwillen(unless they ALSO changed their software to accept the new blocks)14:09
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samsamoaIs the same thing true about a block size increase, though?14:11
samsamoagwillen, it sounds like what you're saying is that there's no incentive for non-mining nodes to change their software.  But if they knew that most miners would soon change, wouldn't they also want to change?14:12
midnightmagicsamsamoa: You should ask this in #bitcoin instead. this isn't really a topic for -wizards14:12
gwillensamsamoa: what midnightmagic says is true14:13
gwillenbut also, you're getting into psychology and game theory now14:13
gwillenwhich is interesting but fuzzy -- the technical facts are what they are, but what people will _do_ is complicated.14:14
samsamoayeah, the game theory aspect is what interests me.  thanks, all - I'll take this to #bitcoin.14:16
* gwillen nodnod14:16
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go1111111i think I figured out how to modify Rusty's lightning network modification, so that it still doesn't need a malleability fix but also is outsourcable.14:36
go1111111malleability is a problem because in the traditional LN setup, the anchor transaction is symmetric.. each person contributes some funds to it, so each person can be harmed if the other person modifies the anchor transaction's hash14:36
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go1111111so, a fix: only one person funds the anchor transaction, and that person is responsible for broadcasting it.. once it's accepted, the other person opens a one-way payment channel to that person to pay them for half the initial funding amount, while the initial person simultaneously credits them in the lightning channel that was created. would that work?14:38
gwillengo1111111: how do you manage the 'simultaneous' credit such that neither party can rip the other off unilaterally?14:39
go1111111gwillen: because both payment channels are micropayment channels. i send you 1 cent worth of value on the LN channel, and you send me 1 cents worth of value on the simple payment channel.  repeat.14:40
go1111111if you stop you can steal one cent from me, yes14:41
gwillenhmm ok, that's not crazy14:41
go1111111the simple payment channel will expire, leaving a non-expiring LN channel that is half funded by both people14:41
gwillenalbeit requires a lot of of overhead14:41
gwillenin terms of transmitting microtransactions14:41
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gwillenit seems like if only one person funds the anchor transaction, then the other person's funds in the channel will never be safe, though14:42
gwillenbut without a diagram it's hard for me to be sure14:42
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go1111111the other person will have copies of transactions that give them some of the initial person's funds. they'll always be able to post these to the network before the anchor funder can withdraw all their funds bc of how LN works now14:44
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go1111111Actually the other person will have just one transaction -- his copy of the commit transaction. He'll also have revocation preimages from earlier copies of the funder's commit transaction14:55
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roasbeefgo1111111: perhaps you should post that in #lightning-dev ?14:59
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go1111111didn't know that existed, but will do. thanks.15:01
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