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| psztorc | Hi Taek, thanks for your attention. | 06:48 |
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| psztorc | First of all Voters can not abstain from questions, although there is a theoretical/experimental 'second class' overflow-cateogory where they can. | 06:49 |
| psztorc | I have been concerned with that from the beginning, in fact I list it 3rd (after two vauge/general problems) here: http://www.truthcoin.info/weaknesses/ | 06:49 |
| psztorc | You are right when you say that this could hurt Voters. | 06:50 |
| psztorc | This primarily discouraged by continuing that logic to Traders, who will think "What will the final outcome be? 'Ambiguous' or 'The Reality' , maybe I shouldn't trade here." | 06:53 |
| psztorc | And then continuing form there to Authors, who have to buy the Decision slots...my guess is that these would eventually not-be-cheap. If the result is no-trading, that money was wasted. | 06:54 |
| psztorc | But you are right (as I've explained it so far) that the attacker has still succeeded in destablizing RBCR...some Voters may gain/lose Rep arbitrarily. | 06:54 |
| psztorc | However, in reality I expect to see a phenomenon that I call "re-centralization", where the voters all meet on reddit and decide what to do. | 06:55 |
| psztorc | Many of the decentralization benefits are actually preserved: if the reddit is censored they can easily move somewhere else, and there is still a double-agent incentive such that attempts to manipulate the votes will be expected and treated with suspicion | 06:56 |
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| psztorc | I also expect each Branch to come with a small set of rules, which globally define a salient "red line" for ambiguity. As I say on the FAQ, my hope is that Voters will be aggresively punitive with the ".5" vote ...I think both "faithful" and "Nth obscure feature" would be out. | 07:02 |
| psztorc | My offered guideline would be "If you are an experienced Google user and you haven't found it in 2 minutes." | 07:03 |
| psztorc | The more ambiguity Voters tolerate, the more they'll have to deal with in the future, such that they have to do more work (or begin to sell, lowering their colleagues' marketcap). So I'd hope they don't tolerate it. | 07:04 |
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| Taek | psztorc: my worry is that even if ambiguity is not tolerated, an attacker can easily create questions that are right on the line | 09:25 |
| Taek | for example, take 3 minutes to google | 09:25 |
| Taek | additionally, if the abiguity is subtle enough, traders may not realize that it's an abiguous question | 09:26 |
| Taek | e.g., takes 5 minutes to Google | 09:26 |
| Taek | but seems from the surface that it's a simple single search | 09:26 |
| Taek | additionally you have to worry about culturally targeted questions | 09:27 |
| Taek | if something seems like plain English to a portion of the population, but foreign to the rest because it contains colloquiallisms, people might not realize that they're dealing with something ambiguous | 09:27 |
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| Taek | re-centralization gives a lot of power to the moderators of whatever discussion forums are chosen | 09:28 |
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| Taek | and sort of forces everyone onto the same discussion forums | 09:28 |
| Taek | I think that the only way out of this problem is for voters to whitelist questions | 09:29 |
| Taek | and all other questions would be '0.5' | 09:29 |
| Taek | but voters would need to be inconsensus when choosing what to whitelist | 09:29 |
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| nsh | 'In particular, this shows that the class of languages that have polynomial-time MIPs that are sound against no-signaling strategies, is exactly EXP. Previously, this class was only known to contain PSPACE.' -- https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/862.pdf | 09:55 |
| nsh | (How to Delegate Computers -- The Power of No-Signaling [sic] Proofs) | 09:55 |
| nsh | *computations | 09:55 |
| nsh | (via PIR scheme by Aiello, et al. [ICALP, 2000]) | 09:56 |
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