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| kanzure | "Stubborn Mining: Generalizing Selfish Mining and Combining with an Eclipse Attack" https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/796 | 12:09 |
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| phantomcircuit | amiller, have you actually witnessed miners mining on other miners blocks like that? | 12:12 |
| phantomcircuit | doesn't seem rational to me for anybody to do that but i can see how it would happen | 12:12 |
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| lmatteis | kanzure: is there a way to find out under which conference/journal that paper was published? | 12:16 |
| lmatteis | oh wait, they're not | 12:17 |
| phantomcircuit | lmatteis, howpublished = {Cryptology ePrint Archive, Report 2015/796}, | 12:17 |
| ryan-c | https://github.com/ethereum/cpp-ethereum/issues/2790 < Anyone else want to go shit on this? | 12:26 |
| ryan-c | "Brain wallet in eth & ethkey" | 12:27 |
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| fluffypony | ryan-c: no you don't understand | 12:29 |
| fluffypony | they're going to invent their own memory-hard hashing function for it | 12:29 |
| fluffypony | called...uh... Crocodile | 12:29 |
| fluffypony | and that will make attacks infeasible, plus there will be a paper on it and everything | 12:29 |
| fluffypony | a purple paper | 12:29 |
| * ryan-c slow claps | 12:29 | |
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| gmaxwell | ryan-c: why? sounds like a perfect fit for that system. Pretextual key security for a pretextual consensus system, produced by a pretextual non-profit funded by pretextual "donations", and issuing pretextual computational credits. | 12:37 |
| ryan-c | gmaxwell: Lulz. How have you been, btw? Haven't seen you on IRC in a while. | 12:37 |
| amiller | phantomcircuit, no never witnessed anyone mining like that, i think mining pool watchers would notice and in any case it would have to affect the noticeably affect the stale block rate for a while before it would work, so i think we'd notice | 12:39 |
| fluffypony | he's not on IRC right now, you're speaking to an AI running on the Ethereum blockchain | 12:39 |
| amiller | lmatteis, hasn't been accepted anywhere yet, we put the paper on preprint server immediately after submitting it to a conference | 12:39 |
| fluffypony | every sentence costs 0.0001 ETH | 12:39 |
| lmatteis | amiller: is it hard to find venues where to submit these kind of things? | 12:40 |
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| amiller | lmatteis, it's complicated, once you admit to being an academic then you need to accumulate points by landing research at good venues, and you get more points for better venues, so it's better to submit to the most prestigious venue where it has a chance (but not a certainty) of getting in | 12:42 |
| lmatteis | isn't it double blinded reviewing? | 12:42 |
| amiller | research is a weird game with occasionally useful side effects | 12:43 |
| amiller | yeah, but it's a balance and i think the trend is moving | 12:44 |
| amiller | you are required to hide your author name in the submitted version and remove giveaways in the paper itself, and reviewers are supposed to just look at the submitted version, but in cryptography especially it's a trend to put a fully-named preprint ahead of time | 12:45 |
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| lmatteis | ah interesting | 12:46 |
| lmatteis | also from the biblio you can figure out who's the author | 12:46 |
| amiller | anyway, a similar insight was made by aviv zohar (ghost and bitcoin red balloons) http://arxiv.org/abs/1507.06183 they also used a much better/thorough method and found even better strategies | 12:46 |
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| amiller | the composition of better-than-selfish-mining with eclipse attacks is new and unique to our paper though | 12:47 |
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| dgenr8 | ssh | 13:45 |
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| lmatteis | dgenr8@192.184.9.104's password: | 13:47 |
| lmatteis | ;) | 13:47 |
| dgenr8 | dear god | 13:47 |
| dgenr8 | you just passed passive hacking 101 | 13:48 |
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