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| amiller | wow this brand new paper seems to be about generalizing "chameleon Sigma protocols" in order to have more efficient Or http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/810.pdf | 00:13 |
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| fluffypony | https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml | 02:03 |
| fluffypony | they've updated Suite B crypto to prefer quantum resistant algorithms | 02:04 |
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| Eliel | http://www.fid3.com/blog/2009/04/22/truecrypt-is-now-detectable/ The text at the bottom is claiming they have a tool that is generally able to detect headerless encrypted data... Somewhat worrying, unless it's just marketing. | 04:03 |
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| andytoshi | amiller: note that this does not give us sublinear sized ring signatures (in fact i'm pretty sure for the specific case of an OR of schnorr proofs the resulting signature is less efficient than what we have) | 05:24 |
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| andytoshi | this business of committing to the first round of the other protocol is interesting, because for an OR of n protocols you can commit to all the others simultaneously, which i initially thought would give some asymptotic improvement | 05:25 |
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| andytoshi | but in the second round, it looks like you have to get the output from the second round (or simulator) of all the protocols, so you still wind up linear-sized | 05:26 |
| andytoshi | (i could be totally misreading btw, i skipped over the discription of their abstraction and am trying to read through their protocol regardless) | 05:27 |
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| kanzure | there should be a type of network where learning information about the structure of the network causes the participants to know that you have that information, and trigger automatic restructuring. | 09:38 |
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| lmatteis | what's the general feeling here about the software fork called XT? http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010235.html | 10:56 |
| kanzure | wrong channel | 10:56 |
| kanzure | ask in #bitcoin instead | 10:56 |
| lmatteis | gah i always get it wrong. ok | 10:57 |
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| bsm117532 | Does anyone know of any good work on sharding the blockchain? e.g. parties collaboratively validating the blockchain, with no entity posessing the entire thing? | 11:04 |
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| instagibbs | bsm117532: define "good" :) . Right now the only thing that makes quasi sense is treechains/embedded consensus, aka "do your own damned validation". | 11:44 |
| instagibbs | sans snarks not that useful tho | 11:45 |
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| bsm117532 | Treechains seem to not be fully fleshed out. I read Peter's post and his github repo, and I still don't see how it's supposed to work. | 11:49 |
| bsm117532 | snarks/ZKP's seem to be a required element... | 11:49 |
| phantomcircuit | bsm117532, the z-SNARKS stuff isn't really sharding | 11:52 |
| bsm117532 | of course not | 11:52 |
| phantomcircuit | all of the work for sharding bitcoin that is actually plausible involves downloading but not storing the entire chain | 11:52 |
| bsm117532 | "prove to me that you have the portion of the blockchain that I do not" could be a use of Z-Snarks. | 11:52 |
| phantomcircuit | ie how do you tell your peers in an efficient manner which blocks you have | 11:52 |
| bsm117532 | Yeah. Been racking my brains on this one for a couple days... | 11:53 |
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| bsm117532 | It's not only about telling your peers, it really requires cryptographic proof, if you don't want to re-transmit the blockchain to do it. | 11:58 |
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| bsm117532 | Otherwise malfeasant nodes could lie and potentially validate invalid transactions. | 11:58 |
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| KFl6WxEUI1Zbp2 | Have people seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h4fth/purportedly_satoshi_posts_to_bitcoindev_mailing/ | 12:06 |
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| maaku | bsm117532: the term for what you are looking for is 'probabalistic validation' | 12:19 |
| maaku | it can be done today, but the problem is there are many error cases in which you cannot compactly prove the invalidatity of a block -- so the other person still has to download and validate the whole block or block chain to check | 12:21 |
| bsm117532 | Yeah that's kind of a deal-breaker. | 12:21 |
| maaku | so to be deployed, there's a number of committments that need to be added to bitcoin | 12:21 |
| maaku | and those come with various efficiency tradeoffs ... still an area of active study | 12:22 |
| bsm117532 | Cool, thanks for the lead | 12:22 |
| maaku | i believe there is someone working on a talk over this subject for the scalingbitcoin.org workshop | 12:23 |
| bsm117532 | Well shit, I want to go to that! | 12:23 |
| bsm117532 | I have to get out of this dead-end job and start working full time on bitcoin. *sigh* | 12:24 |
| maaku | please do; also #bitcoin-workshop | 12:24 |
| bsm117532 | Alas, I have commitments already that weekend. :-( | 12:24 |
| maaku | sorry, #bitcoin-workshops <-- plural | 12:25 |
| Luke-Jr | another channel⁈ | 12:25 |
| Taek | bsm1175332: what are your goals in sharding the blockchain? I think there is a way to 'mutally mine' separate chains, where each chain is a separate ledger, but reorging any of them requires reorging all of them | 12:29 |
| Taek | that's nice for security, but doesn't help you scale a single ledger where people are doing partial validation | 12:30 |
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| bsm117532 | My goal is to address the scaling properties of bitcoin. | 12:43 |
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