2015-09-14.log

--- Log opened Mon Sep 14 00:00:10 2015
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stonecoldpatkanzure: +1 love your archive website, the level of detail is impeccable01:20
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jgarzikWhat is the popular term for on-top-of-main-chain protocols like counterparty and mastercoin?09:30
jgarziksub-coin?09:30
bsm1175321I'm not aware of any common term.  You should invent one.  ;-)09:33
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maakujgarzik: there's a not-nice but accurate 'parasictic consensus'09:35
bsm1175321maaku: such systems generally lack any form of consensus.  Each counterparty/mastercoin/colored coin could be interpreting the OP_RETURN data differently, and no one would know.09:37
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maakubsm1175321: the same is true of bitcoin09:37
maakuyou could change the consensus rules of your own node and no one would know09:38
maaku(except you when you are eventually forked off)09:38
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gmaxwelljgarzik: petertodd calls them embedded consensus systems.09:40
bsm1175321maaku: The difference is that invalid counterparty/coloredcoin/mastercoin transactions DO get propagated, while with bitcoin they never get mined into blocks in the first place.09:45
bsm1175321"overlay protocols"09:46
maakubsm1175321: in principle it's the same though, and trivially fixable. just have the parasitic consensus transactions commit to a prior ledger state from the view of your node09:51
maakuthen it would be exactly the same09:52
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bsm1175321maaku: Indeed you're right.  I've talked to a few of them about that, and AFAIK none of them are doing it.10:29
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maakuyeah, flexcap seems pretty simple to implement17:00
maakustarted taking a crack at it, it'll probably be a dozen lines of meaningful changes plus a few code movements17:01
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nanotubehm, i call mastercoin et al. 'overlay networks', fwiw. seems accurate?18:15
nanotubeso i guess close to bsm1175321's terminology :) and i like protocols better.18:16
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