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nsh--04:49
nshSurprisingly this works not only against symmetric keys such as AES or generic HMAC secrets but also against elliptic-curve private keys (RSA, plain DSA and Diffie-Hellman were not affected.) This is an implementation quirk: these mechanisms are typically intended for symmetric-keys only. For elliptic-curve keys, the byte array being truncated is the secret scalar part of the key. For example the “secret” component for a Bitcoin ECDSA key is a discre04:49
nshte logarithm in secp256k1. Internally that discrete logarithms is just stored as 32-byte scalar value, and extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.04:49
nsh-- https://randomoracle.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/safenet-hsm-key-extraction-vulnerability-part-i/04:49
nsh[don't implement everything in PKCS#11 or people may create two-byte substrings of your secrets and break them piecewise, and then you will have a Bad Time]04:50
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nsh'One limitation of this approach is that some secrets are intended for key-derivation. For example that secp256k1 private-key could have been used for ECDH key-agreement. That operation happens to be considered “key-derivation” according PKCS#11. That means CKA_DERIVE can not be set to false without rendering the key unusable. Per-object policy does not distinguish between derivation mechanisms at a granular level.'04:55
nshheh04:55
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kanzure"Processing analytical queries over encrypted data" http://db.csail.mit.edu/pubs/tu-monomi-cr-vldb13.pdf06:50
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bsm117532https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem06:55
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kanzure.wik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem06:59
yoleaux"The Paillier cryptosystem, named after and invented by Pascal Paillier in 1999, is a probabilistic asymmetric algorithm for public key cryptography. The problem of computing n-th residue classes is believed to be computationally difficult." — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paillier_cryptosystem06:59
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ThomasV!seen aschildbach07:17
gribbleI have not seen aschildbach.07:17
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IriezAre any of the maintainers in contact with the W3C people? I see ripple has invested a reasonable amount of effort.10:50
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maakuIriez: maintainers of what?11:39
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zmanianWhat is difference between Scalar, Field and Group arithmetic on Elliptic Curve group? Trying to figure out if my impressions are correct...18:20
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andytoshizmanian: the field is the field over which the curve is defined (by the equation y^2 = x^3 + 7). it is integers mod 2^255 - 2^23 - 877 i think18:54
andytoshizmanian: the group is the actual elliptic curve group whose elements are points on the curve18:54
andytoshizmanian: the group has prime order so it is cyclic, meaning isomorphic to the integers mod N for some prime N. scalar arithmetic is the integers mod N18:54
andytoshioh, fyi i'm talking specifically about secp256k1 here, things are actually a bit more general18:55
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gmaxwellI wish abstract algebra were[D[D[D taught in highschools in the US. According to anime it's taught in grade school in japan. :P19:37
* kanzure updates his understanding of gmaxwell to have sourced >1% of facts from anime19:39
kanzureblame is really good manga, btw19:39
gmaxwellhahah. I'm not really a big anime fan. more than a decade ago I had a girlfriend that was... and it's hard to work in technology without knowing more than a few. :)19:41
kanzurehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blame!19:42
gmaxwell(What I was actually thinking about there was the number theory in Puella Magi; there is some scene with fermats little theorm or CRT or something)19:43
copumpkingmaxwell: I got it as an option in my IB course19:49
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zmanianandytoshi: Thanks. Clears things up. I was confused if the field or the group was isomorphic to the integers mod n20:17
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