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| andytoshi | gmaxwell: the hidden value ringsig is https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/ringsig-blinding.txt | 07:43 |
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| andytoshi | i'm amazed you can keep track of so many ideas here, i'd honestly forgotten entirely about that | 07:43 |
| andytoshi | oops! that's not it, i mean https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizardry/brs-arbitrary-output-sizes.txt | 07:44 |
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| katu | https://a.pomf.cat/hwlaco.pdf | 08:31 |
| kanzure | "A new ring signature scheme from NTRU lattice" | 08:31 |
| katu | it seems this paper claims (almost) O(1) ring signature sizes in NTRU | 08:31 |
| katu | can somebody check whats the catch? (besides, well, NTRU) | 08:32 |
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| andytoshi | i think NTRU is a pretty big catch :) wiki says it is not even zero-knowledge | 09:15 |
| andytoshi | NTRUsign that is | 09:15 |
| katu | andytoshi: yeah, i found the problem | 09:15 |
| katu | its in fact group scheme, as there needs to be centrally generated master key for everybody | 09:16 |
| katu | and the blinded keys they get is just permutation of the same key. meh. | 09:16 |
| andytoshi | katu: which section? i glanced at that and thought the setup did not need to be trusted | 09:16 |
| andytoshi | it was just, think of a bunch of primes and polynomials | 09:16 |
| katu | andytoshi: However, from a ring’s perspective, | 09:17 |
| katu | the key pairs that belong to the same ring are generated from | 09:17 |
| katu | the same key pair through a skillful randomization. | 09:17 |
| katu | and in the setup phase they seem to generate the master key | 09:17 |
| andytoshi | it's not clear from the writeup what's secret and what's public in the setup phase. it looks like all the variables are used again so i thought they were all public? | 09:18 |
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| andytoshi | oh i see, the master is the only one who can run KeyGen? | 09:19 |
| katu | yep | 09:19 |
| andytoshi | ok, good catch. that's pretty irritating that they are unclear about that | 09:19 |
| andytoshi | and you're right, "group signature" is the correct term for this | 09:19 |
| katu | oh well, my quest to sift through scigen for O(1) continues | 09:20 |
| andytoshi | thanks very much for doing it :) | 09:20 |
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| DeesEvilCapsicum | hello wizards! | 13:28 |
| DeesEvilCapsicum | lol | 13:28 |
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| DeesEvilCapsicum | any wizards here?? | 16:42 |
| DeesEvilCapsicum | lol | 16:42 |
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| DeesEvilCapsicum | lol | 16:53 |
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| DeesEvilCapsicum | lol | 16:54 |
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| DeesMagicalBitCo | hmm | 17:01 |
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| maaku | DeesMagicalBitCo: you're welcome to lurk but please don't clutter the chat | 17:59 |
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| gmaxwell | If you're interested in seeing chat here, go read the logs some! | 18:04 |
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| DeesMagicalBitCo | HELLO WIZARDS!! | 19:29 |
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| gmaxwell | DeesMagicalBitCo: I am not sure if you saw maaku and my comments from earlier; | 19:36 |
| gmaxwell | 17:59 < maaku> DeesMagicalBitCo: you're welcome to lurk but please don't clutter the chat | 19:36 |
| gmaxwell | 18:04 < gmaxwell> If you're interested in seeing chat here, go read the logs some! | 19:36 |
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| DeesMagicalBitCo | Yes sir my fellow wizards! | 19:38 |
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| bliljerk101 | Can anyone tell me what some of the most advanced Bitcoin contract escrow systems are? | 21:03 |
| phantomcircuit | bliljerk101, can you expand on what you mean? | 21:08 |
| bliljerk101 | I thought of an algorithm which at a minimum involves two contracts and three parties but it's scalable beyond that. for each new party, there would be 1 additional contract. this algorithm requires no trust even if the parties are random, can be used anonymously, and enables a person to orchestrate linked actions between individuals in the real world. I know of two valuable ways this can be used a | 21:15 |
| bliljerk101 | lready and i suspect i have discovered a third. | 21:15 |
| bliljerk101 | any systems sounding like that? | 21:15 |
| bliljerk101 | it uses game theory | 21:15 |
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| amiller | bliljerk101, the multiparty computation lottery ones are pretty cool | 22:01 |
| amiller | http://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2014/papers/SecureMultipartyComputationsonBitcoin.pdf | 22:02 |
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| bramc | amiller, I have some thoughts which I'll mail you tomorrow | 22:53 |
| amiller | bramc, thx | 22:54 |
| bramc | Spent friday thinking about it. The whole subject is technical and complicated. There are five or six relevant different types of attacks. | 22:59 |
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| DeesWizard | hello wizards!! | 23:20 |
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| bramc | Hello Dees | 23:37 |
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| fluffypony | DeesWizard: please don't greet every time you enter the room, we can all see you join anyway | 23:49 |
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