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| phoenix_ | hey wizards: any thoughts on whether the network will fork towards classic? | 04:29 |
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| adlai | phoenix_: that's way off-topic for this channel... "not about short-term Bitcoin development" so try #bitcoin. but I doubt you'll find any regulars here in favor of breaking consensus rules over political fads and fashions. | 05:34 |
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| wallet42 | whats the difference of segwit, segwit2, segwit3? | 06:14 |
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| Taek | I had a thought this morning. Mental digital signatures, for typing passwords into your phone or computer in public places | 07:46 |
| Taek | the computer presents a challenge, you use some key to convert to a signature (password), then you type that in | 07:47 |
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| amiller | Taek, even mental pwdhash would be pretty cool | 07:49 |
| amiller | i'd also really like mental public key generation | 07:49 |
| Taek | for my purposes, I'd be happy as long as the key didn't leak until at least 4 examples | 07:50 |
| Taek | even 2 would be a substantial improvement | 07:50 |
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| brg444 | Taek that's kinda like how Ledger does the 2 factor without the cellphone | 07:51 |
| Taek | It's not really my field, but it'd be cool if someone could find some simple mental math that would hide a key from cryptanalysis for a very small number of 'challenge' -> 'answer' pairings | 07:51 |
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| Taek | brg444: is there a link to the paper? | 07:52 |
| Taek | or explanation | 07:52 |
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| brg444 | Taek there's not a detailed explanation on their website but what I'm referring to is their "security card", looks like this https://www.ledgerwallet.com/wallet/keycard | 07:55 |
| Taek | amiller: hashing would be sufficient, because the computer is allowed to know the secret. You don't need to be able to verify from a public key | 07:55 |
| amiller | i see | 07:56 |
| Taek | brg444: thanks, that helps. The problem is that if you are in a public place, referencing the card isn't any better because the people around you can see the card as well. Imagine getting cuaght on security footage | 07:57 |
| brg444 | Taek Right, so you're thinking of a mental key? | 07:57 |
| brg444 | ah yes just read upstream | 07:58 |
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| bsm117532 | Taek: A mental key...to prevent your "security footage" attack you'd need a nonce, to prevent replay attacks. | 09:17 |
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| bsm117532 | Any kind of crypto in which I could be given a nonce, hold a secret in my head, and compute an authentication input in my head...would be ridiculously cool. | 09:17 |
| waxwing | bsm117532: 12-24 seed phrase munged with the nonce perhaps? wouldn't be surprised if you could do it without a computer. might be tedious though. | 09:21 |
| waxwing | yeah i think it might be very tedious | 09:21 |
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| bsm117532 | I wonder if one could devise some kind of sequential operation on the computer to get the computer to do the hard parts of the math, without leaking the secret. (e.g. click on one of these 36 boxes...) | 09:22 |
| bsm117532 | Hmmm I'm sure it would leak the secret... | 09:22 |
| bsm117532 | http://www.scilogs.com/hlf/mental-cryptography-and-good-passwords/ | 09:23 |
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| waxwing | yes, nice. the trouble is to make something where you can hold *everything* in your head (well, for a normal person) | 09:29 |
| bsm117532 | I wonder if you could use a variant of ZKP, and issue a series of binary challenges to the user... | 09:30 |
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| waxwing | i'm reminded of my crappy online banking system 'enter 1st, 5th and 7th letter of your password'. 12 words plus simple nonce offset and choice of letters - would that be enough? assume fairly small nonce. | 09:34 |
| fluffypony | lol waxwing - my old Internet banking here (Absa) had the same thing | 09:34 |
| waxwing | nonce could represent how to permute each letter, and which letters to choose. probably a complete swiss cheese idea :) | 09:34 |
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| ryan-c` | gmaxwell: I'm not sure if you care, but using secp256k1_gej_add_ge_var to increment keys was about 40% faster than incrementing the private key and computing the public key using a 15GB ec multiply table | 10:45 |
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| gmaxwell | Slower than expected. Are you using wnaf or the doubling free design like signing? | 10:49 |
| gmaxwell | I mean the huge table was slower than I expected. | 10:49 |
| ryan-c` | I specifically wanted an incremental search, so I don't think I can just double. | 10:51 |
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| ryan-c` | the huge table as a 150% speed up (2.5x original speed) | 10:53 |
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| gmaxwell | you didn't answer my question. What is the table geometry? | 10:54 |
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| ryan-c` | I am not sure how that code works - a grad student wrote it. It's in the file I linked yesterday though, let me find it. | 10:55 |
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| ryan-c` | https://github.com/ryancdotorg/brainflayer/blob/master/ec_pubkey_fast.c#L106 is where the table is built | 10:57 |
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| ryan-c` | the whitespace in the file is fucked up :( | 10:57 |
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| fluffypony | I theorise that gmaxwell's demon controls a small door between finite and infinite block size limits | 14:38 |
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| brg444 | fluffypony there might be a white paper in that... I think Ledger has extended the review period, there might still be time left! | 14:43 |
| fluffypony | sweet! | 14:43 |
| fluffypony | gmaxwell: how quickly can you open and shut a door...like measured in ms? | 14:44 |
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| JamesCarter | Afternoon Wizards | 15:05 |
| JamesCarter | What's the latest on the Hearngeddon? | 15:05 |
| kang_ | JamesCarter: "This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies"? | 15:05 |
| Tiraspol | buy the fucking dip! | 15:05 |
| JamesCarter | I saw the dip. I thought that there was a solid plan coming out of Hong Kong from the scaling bitcoin conferences? | 15:07 |
| JamesCarter | Seg Witness seems to be a solid idea | 15:07 |
| JamesCarter | I also read a good blog post earlier today. Seems like a lot of ideas are floating around | 15:07 |
| JamesCarter | http://hoskinsoncharles.blogspot.com/2016/01/goodbye-mike-and-some-thoughts-about.html?m=1 | 15:07 |
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| gmaxwell | JamesCarter: it's ot for this channel but core has a published capacity plan signed on by almost all the active developers. https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases | 15:11 |
| JamesCarter | Awesome thanks Greg. I'll take a look at it | 15:11 |
| JamesCarter | I've been trying to get my head around the debate so I figured I'd ask the eggheads in the wizards channel | 15:12 |
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| * moa measures his forehead | 15:15 | |
| moa | is there a Riemann curvature tensor that contains the qualifying parameters for eggheadedness? | 15:18 |
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| bramc | On topic because of the technical points at the end: https://medium.com/@bramcohen/whiny-ragequitting-cab164b1e88 | 15:28 |
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| Zigon | So, I was refered to this chan by a friend of mine. To my knowledge this is a more knowledge driven, less idle chat irc. Is there a secondary chan for idle talking/simple inquiries? | 15:44 |
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| bsm117532 | bramc: It's definitely a whiny ragequit. | 17:00 |
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| smooth | it is, but calling it that is behaving no better | 17:43 |
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| brg444 | smooth Sorry Core devs can't pay for ny times feature | 17:44 |
| bsm117532 | To the points at the end of bramc's post: there is NO RIGHT ANSWER to "what is the right block size". Bitcoin uses an inappropriate data structure (a linked list). The solution is some deeper re-engineering to remove the problem entirely. We need to buy time to do that engineering. So a near-term bump is a reasonable option. Segwit is good for a whole host of other reasons that have nothing to do with block size | 17:45 |
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| smooth | there clearly is a right answer for any given state of technology and marketplace. Identifying it may be difficult. | 17:46 |
| smooth | and other solutions may be better still | 17:47 |
| brg444 | bsm117532: No one is disputing this AFAIK but as you mention needing appropriate time it's important for everyone to acknowledge this is a manufactured "crisis" that aims to precipitate the due process | 17:48 |
| bsm117532 | brg444: I think the "next solution" has not emerged yet, so people are being stupid. I'm working as fast as I can, and I'm not the only one. | 17:49 |
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| bsm117532 | People who don't do software engineering can't even imagine another solution... | 17:49 |
| brg444 | bsm117532: change a constant! "Off with their head!" | 17:50 |
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| bramc | The blocksize bump in segwit is clearly the pragmatic thing to right now given current technical and political realities | 17:54 |
| bsm117532 | The blocksize bump is necessary no matter what, because of current transaction volume realities. Segwit is very useful far beyond an effective block size increase, but is (probably) too far out to solve the near-term problem of hitting full blocks on the regular. | 18:02 |
| brg444 | is it? | 18:03 |
| gmaxwell | bsm117532: you're working from an offensively wrong premise. | 18:04 |
| brg444 | I'd rather have full blocks then precipitate a hard fork that leaves people behind. | 18:04 |
| adnn | ...aka the crux of the debate | 18:04 |
| bsm117532 | gmaxwell: elaborate? | 18:04 |
| bsm117532 | have I offended you? | 18:05 |
| gmaxwell | There is nothing wrong with full blocks, and blocks have been "full" relative to what miners would produce for _years_. Full blocks is the natural state of the system: The demand for externalized-cost highly replicated external storage at price zero is effectively infinite. | 18:05 |
| gmaxwell | bsm117532: A little, you've been around here long enough to have absorbed this view-- even if you don't agree with it, stating something 180 degress off as a simple fact is a bit frustrating to deal with :-/ | 18:06 |
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| alpalp | the only reason we dont consistently have "full" blocks is relay limits and miners too lazy to change things | 18:07 |
| bsm117532 | gmaxwell: We must solve this problem while the fee profit of miners is ~0.2%, and the effectively are not exerting an opinion. If fee profits were higher, they would lobby to keep them, at the expense of small blocks, and zero growth of the system. | 18:08 |
| dgenr8 | alpalp: here i thought it was because not that many people used bitcoin yet | 18:08 |
| bsm117532 | We are far too young in bitcoin's history to have this kind of pressure... | 18:08 |
| alpalp | dgenr8, using bitcoin could be using the blockchain to backup your hard drive if there was no fee pressure. | 18:09 |
| alpalp | bsm117532, pure FUD, what is the worst that happens? | 18:09 |
| bsm117532 | gmaxwell: Are you arguing "fee pressure is good" and therefore small blocks and zero growth are desirable? | 18:09 |
| midnightmagic | :-/ Is rehashing old pointless, already-rehashed discussion with lots of bald assertions really what you're going over, dude.. | 18:09 |
| gmaxwell | bsm117532: Stop with the absolutist language, shades of Hearn. "We must" -- on what objective basis? | 18:09 |
| midnightmagic | in -wizards | 18:09 |
| bsm117532 | Uh. confused. | 18:09 |
| dgenr8 | alpalp: and yet even that is not happening | 18:10 |
| bsm117532 | alpalp: What is FUD? | 18:10 |
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| alpalp | bsm117532, that "we are far too young". What is worst case scenario? fees go up a bit, and people use alternatives for a little? | 18:10 |
| alpalp | dgenr8, thats because we have minimum relay fees and a block size limit! | 18:11 |
| gmaxwell | bsm117532: fee pressure is an intentional part of the system design and to the best of the current understanding essential for the system's long term survial. So, uh, yes. It's good. | 18:11 |
| dgenr8 | limit was hit exactly once prior to September 2014 | 18:11 |
| midnightmagic | dgenr8: Also false. | 18:11 |
| dgenr8 | midnightmagic: perhaps bsm117532 means that everything good that's happened for bitcoin's | 18:12 |
| bsm117532 | Fee pressure is an artificial imposition on the system. | 18:12 |
| dgenr8 | midnightmagic: sorry ... here you go http://i.imgur.com/5Gfh9CW.png | 18:13 |
| bsm117532 | It is not caused by lack of bandwith or computation. It's is a constant in a file and we can do better. | 18:13 |
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| alpalp | bsm117532, stupid satoshi putting fees in the original design | 18:13 |
| midnightmagic | geh, so not -wizard material. | 18:13 |
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| bsm117532 | I'm taking this to #bitcoin | 18:13 |
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| * bsm117532 disengages from the toxic block size debate, and goes back to braids, which might be a better long-term solution... | 18:26 | |
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| zookolaptop | Yay braids | 18:27 |
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| PeterR | Here is a visual of the empirical block size distribution since Block 0: http://imgur.com/uPneQ5N,izo03ie | 18:38 |
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| bsm117532 | There is no number, or algorithm WRT said number, that is the "right" solution. The correct solution is to remove the number from the problem. | 18:41 |
| brg444 | anybody find these drive bys hilarious | 18:41 |
| bsm117532 | PeterR that's a good plot. | 18:41 |
| bsm117532 | PeterR wants my braids paper. This is why I'm at the computer on a Saturday night... | 18:41 |
| zookolaptop | bsm117532: hold on just let me get ops power and I'll ban you from -wizards until 24 hours from now. | 18:42 |
| zookolaptop | Thank me later! | 18:42 |
| zookolaptop | Actually could you ban me from twitter? | 18:43 |
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| bsm117532 | OTOH I found a new algorithm to find cohorts, which is O(N). (cohort is kind-of the analog of a block -- you don't want it to take a long time to find which subset of incoming data is the right one to analyze...) | 18:45 |
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| PeterR | bsm117532: Thanks! I like those two animations because they illustrate how the block size is empirically different than the block reward. | 18:53 |
| PeterR | There have been "obstructions" to the block size in the past at 250kb, 350kb, 750kb and now at 1MB, but "Bitcoin" has always broken them down. | 18:54 |
| PeterR | bsm117532: Yes, looking forward to the paper. And I believe Chris will be in touch shortly about one for you to review. Thanks :) | 18:55 |
| kanzure | bsm117532: bitcoin itself is an arbitrary imposition, i think your statement about fee pressure is a non-statement (re: "arbitrary imposition"). | 18:56 |
| bsm117532 | PeterR: I received a review request today and confirmed on the website, I'm happy to review! | 18:56 |
| PeterR | Perfect! | 18:57 |
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| bsm117532 | kanzure: I'm referring to the block size as a number, disconnected from the bandwidth. In principle the actual restriction should be the bandwidth, but it's not because of a number in the protocol, which is arbitrary. | 18:57 |
| bsm117532 | Also the fact that a "block" is a very spiky bandwidth distribution... | 18:58 |
| kanzure | well you can't measure bandwidth in a decentralized system anyway | 18:58 |
| kanzure | so i'm not sure why you would mention the bandwidth here? all we can do is just try our best to make the bandwidth requirements to go down. | 18:58 |
| bsm117532 | My point is: 1MB/10min=1.6kb/s is not a restriction that anyone is concerned about. | 18:59 |
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| kanzure | the actual restriction should be a protofcol-level rule to avoid the impossibility of measuring bandwidth | 18:59 |
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| bsm117532 | The actual bandwidth requirement is (block size)/(block verification time) which is the SPV mining window. | 19:01 |
| bsm117532 | We'd be better off spreading the load over 10 min, if it didn't cause orphans... | 19:01 |
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| r0ach | Surprised virtually nobody mentions the ethical issue of block size involving utility vs greater fool theory: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg13579158#msg13579158 | 19:03 |
| brg444 | https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lnd | 19:05 |
| bsm117532 | "It's funny how the dev side has more small blockers, while the speculation side is almost entirely large blockers nowadays. Why is this? Because the dev side doesn't understand markets," -- No, it's because the market side doesn't understand software engineering. This is an artificial restriction. There are other ways to lift it. | 19:09 |
| alpalp | what makes you think the speculation side is in favor of big blocks? | 19:10 |
| bsm117532 | I'm disengaging from this argument... | 19:10 |
| bsm117532 | Not very good at it, I grant you... | 19:10 |
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| adnn | alpalp: It is my understanding that some Chinese miners are concerned that block size dead lock is hurting the price and block size bump will prove that we "can do it" | 19:19 |
| adnn | ironically their most recent calls to action have hurt the price further. | 19:19 |
| alpalp | adnn, maybe that golden egg laying goose is full of gold! | 19:20 |
| alpalp | lets kill it! | 19:20 |
| adnn | lol | 19:20 |
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| pigeons | ;;topic | 19:22 |
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| moa | bsm117532 1MB/10min=1.6kB/s = 13.3 kb/s | 19:43 |
| bsm117532 | I've never heard anyone claim they couldn't get a 14.4 kb/s modem in 2016. | 19:45 |
| bsm117532 | That's laughable. | 19:46 |
| oneeman | bsm1175321: where can I read about braids? Just https://scalingbitcoin.org/hongkong2015/presentations/DAY2/2_breaking_the_chain_1_mcelrath.pdf or is there also a more 'texty' whitepaper or something? | 19:49 |
| bsm117532 | oneeman: Working on it now, paper will be out in ~days... | 19:50 |
| oneeman | sweet | 19:50 |
| moa | I was simply pointing out your mixing bits and bytes units nomenclature and the actual bandwidth requirement for full blocks is at least 2xblocksize (some say 8x) | 19:52 |
| bsm117532 | oneeman: happy to field questions here if you've read the talk... | 19:52 |
| bsm117532 | moa: that's never the argument, because the protocol is spiky in bandwidth. So, we need to improve the protocol. | 19:53 |
| moa | have no idea what 'argument' you are referencing here. | 19:54 |
| bsm117532 | moa: the argument given by anyone about anything to do with block size increase. | 19:54 |
| moa | which argument? | 19:55 |
| bsm117532 | moa: block size arguments. | 19:56 |
| * bsm117532 disengages... | 19:56 | |
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| oneeman | bsm117532: thanks. I just skimmed the slides, will look into it more when the paper comes out | 20:09 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lightning-onion | 20:45 |
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| kanzure | roasbeef: https://github.com/LightningNetwork/lnd/pull/1 | 20:47 |
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| adnn | kanzure: can't wait for the day we have LN nodes set up as hidden services routing payments via Hornet/Sphinx | 20:54 |
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| roasbeef | kanzure: thanks! merged :) | 21:14 |
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