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| Taek | crypto at 6am: https://github.com/NebulousLabs/merkletree/pull/12/files | 02:58 |
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| Taek | build a merkle tree using a bunch of cached branches/nodes. Build proofs on said merkle tree from cached branches as well | 02:59 |
| Taek | useful when dealing with large sets of objects | 03:00 |
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| @kanzure | "hash the consensus rules that were used to generate the block, and if the rules don't match up with the block, then the block should be rejected by others" ... unfortunately i think this would make it hard to do upgrades. | 14:38 |
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| @kanzure | also, what's the largest-in-terms-of-participants multisig verification pool that anyone has tried in real world deployment? do we have numbers on that... | 14:45 |
| @kanzure | amiller: maybe you know? | 14:45 |
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| Taek | OxADADA: typical bed time recently has been about 2am. | 16:27 |
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| nanasho | hi guys | 16:31 |
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| nanasho | how many blockchains do i need to unscrew a lightbulb | 16:35 |
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| amiller | kanzure, you mean just the largest multisig transaction seen on the blockchain? | 16:39 |
| Taek | depends on your threat model | 16:39 |
| aj | nanasho: just one, but you can never be certain that the lightbulb won't turn out to still be screwed in | 16:39 |
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| Taek | amiller: I think he's asking in general, not just related to the blockchain | 16:39 |
| amiller | hmm, "multisig" verification in contexts other than blockhcain? | 16:40 |
| @kanzure | right, like "get 10,000 people together to sign and verify some sort of data" | 16:45 |
| @kanzure | for example- some altchains have proposed using "just some group of trusted validators". what is the largest group of validators that has been attempted? could be outside of bitcoinland. | 16:45 |
| @kanzure | especially n-of-n schemes. | 16:46 |
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| amiller | that's an interesting question | 17:03 |
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| stevenroose_ | Just a thought: Do block anti-orphan schemea like DECOR+ increase or decrease decentralization? I.e. do mining pools benefit from them or not? Of course only when used with higher block rates (read in the seconds). | 20:44 |
| stevenroose_ | (FYI, DECOR+ allows miners to keep mining on a block even though a new block is already announced and receive part of the mining fee if they anounce a "forking" block withing a certain time so that not all miners have to simultaniously stop mining to do verification before continuing to mine on a new block) | 20:45 |
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| Luke-Jr | stevenroose_: I think it helps decentralisation, but also helps attacks | 20:57 |
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| stevenroose_ | Luke-Jr, how so attacks? | 21:01 |
| stevenroose_ | 51% ones? Because always a certain % of the network will not be mining the main chain? | 21:01 |
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| aj | does anyone know how big a cross-chain transfer transaction would actually be, with decentralised sidechains? (ie, using SPV proofs, rather than fixed membership multisig) | 23:44 |
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| phantomcircuit | aj, pretty large | 23:49 |
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| aj | phantomcircuit: yeah, but how large is that? 10kB? 100kB? 20MB? | 23:51 |
| phantomcircuit | aj, uh like 1-3kB | 23:52 |
| aj | phantomcircuit: oh, that's much smaller than i was thinking | 23:53 |
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