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| fluffypony | lmatteis: do you really think he'd submit a paper for peer review? it'd get destroyed. | 04:51 |
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| fluffypony | (context: https://twitter.com/lmatteis/status/708976291601620993) | 04:52 |
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| instagibbs | fluffypony, that's a laugh because vitalik has personally admitted to me that he thinks 13 validators is "good enough" for decentralization | 05:35 |
| proslogion | instagibbs: really? i thought it was "250 validators ought to be enough for everyone." | 05:40 |
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| lmatteis | fluffypony: :) | 05:42 |
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| lmatteis | fluffypony: vitalik is a smart person. he might be a bit biased, but i'm sure his logic is not completely unfound | 06:33 |
| fluffypony | lmatteis: the problem with "logic" is that it doesn't have much place in the design of cryptographically sound, adversarially-resistant systems | 06:36 |
| fluffypony | attackers can completely circumvent "logically" sound schemes (see, for eg., preimage attacks) | 06:37 |
| proslogion | basically he has a tendency to make his system infinitely more complicated, and in the process rekt a few other building blocks, just to solve a problem he feels interested... | 06:37 |
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| lmatteis | fluffypony: sure. he just needs to better formalize his security model | 06:42 |
| lmatteis | as all systems are never 100% resistant to attacks | 06:43 |
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| fluffypony | that's a double-edged sword, lmatteis | 06:43 |
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| lmatteis | all i'm saying is that data trumps everything | 06:45 |
| * lmatteis giggles at *trumps* | 06:45 | |
| fluffypony | well what's the point of formalising it? it's so that it can be peer reviewed | 06:45 |
| lmatteis | indeed | 06:45 |
| fluffypony | so therein lies the issue: he lacks the education to present in a way that it can be peer-reviewed | 06:46 |
| fluffypony | so when he uses incorrect notation it means mathematicians and cryptographers scratch their heads for a few minutes trying to understand it, and then move on with something else | 06:46 |
| lmatteis | yup | 06:46 |
| lmatteis | i also think that academics might be too much on the other end of the sword - too much formalization and peer-review, and less on actually getting working software to people | 06:47 |
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| fluffypony | sure, that's why there's a balance of both in Bitcoin | 06:48 |
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| JackH | kanzure, what material and reference material do you have for payment hubs? and do you also collect whitepapers like for HORNET and Sphinx etc? | 10:07 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Sphinx:%20A%20compact%20and%20provably%20secure%20mix%20format.pdf | 10:10 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/security/HORNET:%20High-speed%20onion%20routing%20at%20the%20network%20layer.pdf | 10:10 |
| kanzure | http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper.pdf | 10:10 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Reaching%20the%20ground%20with%20lightning%20-%20Rusty%20Russell.pdf | 10:11 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/lightning-network-paper-DRAFT-0.5.pdf | 10:11 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/impulse.pdf | 10:11 |
| kanzure | https://bitcoinj.github.io/working-with-micropayments | 10:11 |
| kanzure | https://21.co/learn/21-micropayments/ | 10:11 |
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| kanzure | other things available if necessary | 10:12 |
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| JackH | any other proposals? I am looking more specifically for the communication protocols like HORNET and Sphinx | 10:33 |
| JackH | but more, exotic if you would have it | 10:34 |
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| maaku | johnwhitton: the HORNET and Sphinx papers themselves are pretty good | 10:34 |
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| kanzure | exotic... well, pyncheon? | 10:47 |
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| JackH | hmm | 10:58 |
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