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| TD-Linux | "An attestation of execution provides information for verifying that the certificate was created within the TEE (and that the validator waited the allotted time)." | 11:49 |
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| TD-Linux | of all the things that SGX can do, I don't see how it can reasonably securely attest elapsed time | 11:49 |
| nsh | trusted execution environment? | 11:49 |
| nsh | that's pretty much the only thing you can attest to | 11:50 |
| TD-Linux | context is http://intelledger.github.io/introduction.html | 11:50 |
| nsh | hmm | 11:50 |
| nsh | well, this looks interesting but you'd be insane to bet any money on the security of hypercomplex microprocessor architectural bells and whistles that have been tested approximately not at all | 11:52 |
| nsh | i don't understand why they replace the random oracle with some transcript/attestation that the minimal timer was created in the trusted environment. this seems like a more contrived and less provable way to achieve effectively the same thing as a hash lottery | 11:54 |
| nsh | well, i suppose 'scaling' is the motivation | 11:54 |
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| TD-Linux | rather than burning power hashing, you now buy intel chips that are mostly idle. | 11:56 |
| TD-Linux | there are a lot of interesting questions to answer here, such as how the security differs from, say, a stored value system on SGX | 11:57 |
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| nsh | 'the base journal implementation' is this for blockdata filestorage? | 11:59 |
| nsh | it'll be useful to see how they separate out the different functions anyway. all grist to the mill | 11:59 |
| kanzure | sgx complaint is being communicated to intel today by a messenger from our community | 11:59 |
| kanzure | or at least, a request to please fix sgx | 12:00 |
| kanzure | also: see previous sgx mentions in -wizards logs | 12:00 |
| nsh | oh wait, this is an intel research project? | 12:03 |
| nsh | heh... | 12:03 |
| nsh | (it would be nice if you could do a keyword search for the logs and it could bring up snippets in context) | 12:03 |
| nsh | (that's something for a rainy weekend) | 12:03 |
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| JackH | !seen bramc | 12:48 |
| gribble | bramc was last seen in #bitcoin-wizards 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <bramc> kanzure: I'm planning on doing that, but would like some more feedback first | 12:48 |
| JackH | wtf | 12:48 |
| kanzure | he has been reading logs from bitcoin core slack interface, probably | 13:00 |
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| kanzure | "Enhancing bitcoin security and performance with strong consistency via collective signing" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.06997.pdf | 13:05 |
| kanzure | seems to be a sharding proposal plus multisig | 13:05 |
| JackH | he is on slack only? | 13:07 |
| JackH | I wanted to get his review on this: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0503060.pdf | 13:08 |
| JackH | since he commented on the fake satoshi hash tube paper | 13:08 |
| JackH | this is similar, but seems more structured and actually completed | 13:08 |
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| LordByron | is anyone actually building their ASIC miner? | 21:31 |
| LordByron | has anyone done this? | 21:31 |
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| bsm1175321 | I've built an ASIC miner which determines primes of the form x00...00y. I feel I've made a valuable contribution to humanity. | 21:45 |
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| LordByron | have you put together all the components on a board yourself or did you mean you just bought pre-made and worked the shell? | 21:52 |
| LordByron | has it gotten you many btc? | 21:52 |
| bsm1175321 | I'm being extremely sarcastic... | 21:52 |
| LordByron | ok | 21:52 |
| LordByron | so what is the core everyone can get into - | 21:53 |
| bsm1175321 | Because what I said is a stupid idea. | 21:53 |
| LordByron | i mean something beyond just buying asic miners and mining? | 21:53 |
| LordByron | obviously building your asic miners is bit of reach for most people | 21:53 |
| LordByron | so what is then the most effective way to scale? | 21:53 |
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| bsm1175321 | None of the above. What is "scale" to you? I think you may be in the wrong channel. | 21:56 |
| LordByron | scaling means to me, | 21:56 |
| LordByron | i guess buying asic miners or whichever effective miners at a cheap price | 21:57 |
| LordByron | cheap(er) | 21:57 |
| c0rw1n | buy a fab | 21:57 |
| LordByron | as much as possible | 21:57 |
| LordByron | c0rw1n what is a fab? | 21:57 |
| c0rw1n | ASIC-fabricating factory | 21:57 |
| bsm1175321 | Definitely the wrong channel. Try #bitcoin-profiteers, or #bitcoin-vultures | 21:58 |
| LordByron | that is interesting | 21:58 |
| LordByron | thank you for an interesting idea | 21:58 |
| LordByron | and, what is this channel about then | 21:58 |
| LordByron | if not about bitcoins? | 21:58 |
| c0rw1n | cryptocoin research | 21:58 |
| bsm1175321 | Not welcome here. Any moron can buy low and sell high. This channel is about how to make bitcoin better/faster/more private/handle more transactions. | 21:58 |
| LordByron | Thank you for calling me a moron. | 21:59 |
| LordByron | so it's about software than actual practice. | 21:59 |
| bsm1175321 | Sorry. It's late. | 21:59 |
| LordByron | alright... | 21:59 |
| bsm1175321 | Yes, algorithms and techniques. | 21:59 |
| bsm1175321 | No offense. | 21:59 |
| bsm1175321 | Maybe #bitcoin or #bitcoin-pricetalk would be up your alley (seriously) | 22:00 |
| LordByron | non taken. i am ignorant. so i am here to educate myself. thank you for the lead. i didnt know such techniques existed to improve bitcoin overall. | 22:00 |
| LordByron | does it however help with the profiteering through mining? | 22:00 |
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| LordByron | or perhaps, does it help exchanges with market(s) and through it, profiteering? | 22:01 |
| bsm1175321 | Yes, making bitcoin better helps with profiteering. But the latter, as a motivation, generally does not drive algorithms or research. | 22:01 |
| LordByron | i understand. no, this is where i would like to be. i will stop then with the questions on profiteering. | 22:01 |
| LordByron | i was always curious about how e-currencies were created and how algorithms and machine learning can be applied to the practice. | 22:02 |
| bsm1175321 | Ask yourself: why would anyone here, interested in making bitcoin better, also be interested in earning profit for YOU? | 22:02 |
| bsm1175321 | LordByron you're welcome to hang out here and listen, but the dicussion is generally pretty esoteric. | 22:03 |
| LordByron | nay. none would be open to help with such benefit toward myself. but some experts use their explanation as an outlet of creativity, to spark new ideas within themselves. | 22:03 |
| LordByron | however, this would be wishful thinking. | 22:03 |
| LordByron | now i understand the nature of this channel, i will simply listen. | 22:04 |
| bsm1175321 | We all desire a better financial system, and if we succeed, it will enrich us all. This does not involve which mining hardware to buy today. | 22:04 |
| LordByron | indeed | 22:04 |
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