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| bsm117532 | I can't get this paper out of my head: https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/553.pdf ("Publicly Verifiable Proofs of Sequential Work") -- which comes down to composed hashes (hash of a hash of a hash of a...) and proving sequential work by putting a Merkle tree on it, and a set of challenges in ZKP via Fiat-Shamir. | 06:20 |
| bsm117532 | I want to measure network topology and latencies, in a cryptographically provable manner, using this. That is, imagine every node has one core devoted to this computation. When it receives a message, it looks at the latest hash and inputs some data from the received message. The next message it receives it can provide a proof of elapsed time between the two messages. | 06:22 |
| bsm117532 | This is a lower bound for obvious reasons, and must be calibrated relative to other nodes. | 06:22 |
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| bsm117532 | This could have a better (faster) measure of time than Bitcoin, without trusted-clock vulnerabilities, and eliminate the energy consumption due to embarrassingly parallelization of Bitcoin's PoW, since this algorithm is non-parallelizable -- it would ensure one miner = one node. | 06:26 |
| nsh | bitcoin PoW's parallelizability gives it progress-freeness, which is essential to convergence. one there is a cost to abandoning progress in light of new transactions then the incentive to mine the verymostcurrent mempool is undermined and the coupling between economic incentive and byzantine tolerance gets loose | 06:38 |
| kanzure | https://elementsproject.org/posts/the-federated-peg-in-elements-alpha/ OP_WITHDRAWPROOFVERIFY OP_WPV OP_REORGPROOFVERIFY OP_RPV | 06:38 |
| nsh | *once | 06:38 |
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| nsh | oh, and progress-freeness also counters mining centralisation pressure | 06:41 |
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| bsm117532 | nsh: Sequential work can be progress free too. A sequence of hash-of-hash-of-... can be simultaneously measuring multiple things, where whenever I receive a time point I want to measure, I insert it into the sequence...h(h(H|data)) where H is the last hash and "data" is some new incoming data at time t. | 07:08 |
| * nsh nods | 07:09 | |
| nsh | will read the paper :) | 07:11 |
| nsh | .g depth-robust directed acyclic graphs | 07:11 |
| yoleaux | https://eprint.iacr.org/2011/553.pdf | 07:11 |
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| bsm117532 | I'm also wondering whether a "braid" IS a depth-robust directed acyclic graph...and whether that fact can be used somehow... | 07:14 |
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| Guest49771 | bsm117532, i like the idea of measuring sequential time while also mining parallelizable work! | 07:31 |
| Guest49771 | i don't exactly know what to do with it though | 07:31 |
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| nsh | why is modular exponentiation an inherently sequential task without knowing the factorisation of N | 16:10 |
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| eragmus | buZz and cubicearth - Yes, the channel is used, but developers are also especially busy these days... so activity is distributed between all the various channels, e.g. bitcoin-wizards, segwit-dev, bitcoin-core-dev, bitcoin-dev, bitcoin, etc. etc. | 17:45 |
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| mrkent | Anyone here have a educated opinion on rootstock? | 18:45 |
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| bsm117532 | mrkent: Excited about rootstock. Not sure I can offer an educated opinion on it. | 19:10 |
| mrkent | bsm117532: Do you understand how it alleviates high orphan rates with the quick block times? | 19:11 |
| bsm117532 | nsh: It's in the formula at the end of p.1: "2^{2^D} \equiv 2^{2^D \mod \phi(N)) (\mod N)" | 19:12 |
| bsm117532 | mrkent: no. | 19:13 |
| bsm117532 | It's my understanding that they're going to use a federated peg, which in principle can come to consensus very fast? | 19:14 |
| bsm117532 | I'm not a fan of such schemes... | 19:16 |
| bsm117532 | Must...braid...blockchain... | 19:16 |
| mrkent | What's federated peg? | 19:16 |
| bsm117532 | http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/37876/what-is-fed-peg-and-predefined-functionaries-with-sidechains | 19:17 |
| bsm117532 | https://elementsproject.org/posts/the-federated-peg-in-elements-alpha/ | 19:17 |
| bsm117532 | The latter is a better answer... | 19:17 |
| bsm117532 | I've been thinking about this a lot WRT Hyperledger and some conversations with the Blockstream folks. | 19:18 |
| bsm117532 | We're still fundamentally missing a "prove what's going on in your ledger and I'll prove what's going on in mine" opcode. | 19:19 |
| bsm117532 | The existence of which would be a sea change in this community... | 19:20 |
| bsm117532 | I don't need to share your ledger, I just need to make proofs... | 19:21 |
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| bsm117532 | No one wants to share ledgers. Everyone wants proof of execution. | 19:22 |
| mrkent | Got sources on proof of execution? | 19:29 |
| bsm117532 | AKA better SPV. I have no sources. | 19:30 |
| bsm117532 | I don't want to know or care how your database works. But I want to know that my trade is executed. How do we cryptographically communicate that? | 19:31 |
| bsm117532 | SPV and UTXO set commitments are halfway there, but I feel we have a long way to go. | 19:31 |
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| mrkent | What about a 2WP sidechain that watched Bitcoin network? (assuming it's dependent on Bitcoin pegs to creation of any new side-coins) | 19:34 |
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| bsm117532 | this? http://www.rootstock.io/blog/sidechains-drivechains-and-rsk-2-way-peg-design | 19:36 |
| bsm117532 | Would love to discuss it. Will attempt to offer an intelligent response sometime in the next 24h... ;-) | 19:36 |
| kanzure | "federated peg" is explained in https://blockstream.com/sidechains.pdf | 19:38 |
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| bsm117532 | I'd say that paper is far from clear on the concept. | 19:46 |
| bsm117532 | There still exists a cryptographic "I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours" that has not been sufficiently demonstrated in a trustless context. | 19:47 |
| mrkent | bsm117532: which method in the rootstock blog post were you referring to? entangled blockchains? | 19:49 |
| * bsm117532 will read and try to comment intelligently in the morning. | 19:50 | |
| mrkent | ty | 19:51 |
| bsm117532 | Anything that is not externally, cryptographically verifiable, is not enough. | 19:56 |
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| eragmus | kanzure: Another federated peg explanation: https://elementsproject.org/posts/the-federated-peg-in-elements-alpha/ | 22:01 |
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| Taek | I mean, the problem nobody has been able to get past is that we can't seem to prove the state of a chain concisely without sharing all of the data | 22:48 |
| Taek | a utxo commitment isn't sufficient, because the pow behind the block might be lying | 22:48 |
| Taek | you need to prove that a utxo set has a certain amount of work behind it, AND that the utxo set is accepted according to the consensus rules of whatever chain you are communicating with | 22:49 |
| Taek | snarks might one day be enough to do that | 22:49 |
| Taek | but, the cryptographic assumptions are strong and there is still a trusted setup that's required | 22:49 |
| Taek | so I wouldn't be happy using today's snarks as proof that a certain state exists | 22:50 |
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