| --- Log opened Tue Apr 19 00:00:51 2016 | ||
| -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 00:01 | |
| -!- epscy [~epscy@176.126.241.239] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:01 | |
| -!- AusteritySucks [~Austerity@unaffiliated/austeritysucks] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:07 | |
| -!- AusteritySucks [~Austerity@unaffiliated/austeritysucks] has quit [Client Quit] | 00:09 | |
| -!- CrazyTruthYakDDS [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-waabkxbacrxdpaoh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 00:10 | |
| -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 00:18 | |
| -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:20 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bwezjtagpwxhluet] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 00:23 | |
| -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@46-82-40.adsl.cyta.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:25 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grxqzflguxxjcuhi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:26 | |
| -!- dnaleor [~dnaleor@78-23-74-78.access.telenet.be] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:28 | |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@152.27.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:30 | |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@152.27.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Changing host] | 00:30 | |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:30 | |
| -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuyyvicmyjfrsnrm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 00:30 | |
| -!- ThomasV_ [~ThomasV@x55b4f9e8.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 00:35 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-grxqzflguxxjcuhi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 00:41 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-friwxzbtpvlbdtqo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:44 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpmcqczmxjdabtsd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:48 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-friwxzbtpvlbdtqo] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] | 00:54 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpmcqczmxjdabtsd] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 00:54 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-axbjeawdgphiiech] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:58 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqunktsuiebqzrin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 00:58 | |
| -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] | 00:59 | |
| -!- adam3us [~adam3us@unaffiliated/adam3us] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 01:02 | |
| -!- adam3us [~adam3us@unaffiliated/adam3us] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 01:03 | |
| -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 01:07 | |
| -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 01:11 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 01:45 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 01:49 | |
| -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-45-58-252-104.dyn.295.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 02:04 | |
| -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 02:10 | |
| -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@46-82-40.adsl.cyta.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 02:11 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 02:16 | |
| -!- BrainOverfl0w [~fred@178.62.183.174] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 02:24 | |
| -!- xsdfdfsa [~x@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 02:47 | |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] | 02:50 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 02:58 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 03:02 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-axbjeawdgphiiech] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 03:03 | |
| -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 03:14 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 03:18 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bmpnhqaakgixaksd] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 03:20 | |
| -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 03:23 | |
| -!- xsdfdfsa [~x@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 03:26 | |
| -!- xsdfdfsa [~x@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 03:33 | |
| -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 03:33 | |
| -!- xsdfdfsa [~x@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has quit [Quit: xsdfdfsa] | 03:58 | |
| -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 04:20 | |
| -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 04:20 | |
| -!- waxwing [~waxwing@62.205.214.125] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 04:26 | |
| kanzure | Taek: proof of consensus rule validity would render the point of sidechains somewhat unnecessary | 04:29 |
|---|---|---|
| -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 04:45 | |
| -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] | 04:47 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 04:54 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 04:55 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 05:05 | |
| -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-122-14-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:06 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 05:09 | |
| -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:17 | |
| -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:19 | |
| -!- assder [82ebca3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.235.202.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 05:20 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 05:21 | |
| -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 05:23 | |
| -!- curious12 [~Sleepnbum@chello089173066038.chello.sk] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:29 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:36 | |
| -!- assder [82ebca3a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.130.235.202.58] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:42 | |
| -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 05:43 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 06:06 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 06:11 | |
| -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecrrfrojzerzlxwn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 06:18 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 06:38 | |
| -!- murch [~murch@p4FE3A064.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 06:47 | |
| -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 06:50 | |
| -!- zooko [~user@2601:281:8000:8387:16d:780a:2574:fcc8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 06:58 | |
| -!- damethos [~damethos@unaffiliated/damethos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 07:01 | |
| -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@38.121.165.30] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 07:02 | |
| -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@x55b3b989.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 07:14 | |
| -!- mkarrer [~mkarrer@224.red-83-50-56.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 07:22 | |
| -!- NewLiberty_ [~NewLibert@2602:306:b8e0:8160:b8e2:1c9c:fe32:8ba2] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] | 07:42 | |
| -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 07:53 | |
| -!- kmels [~kmels@93.166.151.186.static.intelnet.net.gt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 07:54 | |
| -!- AusteritySucks [~Austerity@unaffiliated/austeritysucks] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 07:56 | |
| -!- zooko [~user@2601:281:8000:8387:16d:780a:2574:fcc8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 08:00 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 08:06 | |
| -!- murch [~murch@p4FE3A064.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] | 08:06 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 08:06 | |
| -!- melvster [~melvster@ip-86-49-18-198.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 08:07 | |
| -!- curious12 [~Sleepnbum@chello089173066038.chello.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 08:11 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 08:11 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 08:14 | |
| -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 08:17 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 09:12 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:12 | |
| -!- bitjedi [~QuaCryptI@unaffiliated/bitjedi] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:20 | |
| -!- nuke1989 [~nuke@46-82-40.adsl.cyta.gr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:22 | |
| -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:24 | |
| instagibbs | or like, bitcoin maybe | 09:24 |
| instagibbs | if we're already assuming super fast execution and actually valid implementations/crypto, we probably don't need PoW | 09:25 |
| -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 09:27 | |
| -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 | 09:27 | |
| -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@104-6-36-162.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:34 | |
| -!- amiller_ [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 09:39 | |
| -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:41 | |
| -!- Guest87203 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:43 | |
| -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 09:45 | |
| -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 | 09:45 | |
| -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:47 | |
| -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@128-79-141-196.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Client Quit] | 09:48 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 09:51 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:51 | |
| maaku | Taek: yeah if you had a compact proof of consensus rule validity, you wouldn't need sidechains. Or bitcoin. | 09:53 |
| maaku | the sidchains assumption is essentially SPV | 09:54 |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 09:54 | |
| -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 09:56 | |
| -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 10:08 | |
| -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79-98-72-216.sys-data.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 10:17 | |
| -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@79-98-72-216.sys-data.com] has quit [Changing host] | 10:17 | |
| -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 10:17 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 10:24 | |
| -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ecrrfrojzerzlxwn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 10:30 | |
| Taek | instagibbs, maaku: I don't think you could escape the work requirement. You would still need some way to pick between two different valid histories | 10:46 |
| Taek | but you wouldn't need sidechains anymore | 10:47 |
| Taek | I mean, we might also find that these things are achievable for very simplified consensus rules | 10:47 |
| Taek | for example, we can do certain operations, but those don't include cryptographic signatures | 10:48 |
| Taek | in which case sidechains would still be useful for the more complicated operations that you aren't able to create compact proofs for | 10:48 |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 10:52 | |
| -!- slackircbridge [~slackircb@45.55.41.36] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 10:54 | |
| maaku | Taek: you won't need bitcoin. If you can have a compact proof of validity of an elided history, there's no reason to have a public ledger at all | 10:58 |
| maaku | There's much cooler stuff you could do | 10:58 |
| Taek | sure, the ledger doesn't need to be public | 10:59 |
| Taek | but I think you still need POW to choose between multiple valid histories | 10:59 |
| Taek | well, you also need some way of knowing that the history being presented to you is the one with the most pow | 11:00 |
| -!- zooko [~user@c-73-217-16-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:00 | |
| Taek | or rather, the compact proof for the history, since the history itself is not being revealed | 11:01 |
| -!- gielbier [~giel____@a149043.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:07 | |
| -!- gielbier [~giel____@a149043.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Changing host] | 11:07 | |
| -!- gielbier [~giel____@unaffiliated/gielbier] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:07 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:08 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] | 11:13 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@ip68-97-35-223.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] | 11:14 | |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:20 | |
| -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:21 | |
| -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:26 | |
| -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 11:27 | |
| -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@104-6-36-162.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] | 11:30 | |
| -!- blackwraith [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 11:36 | |
| -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] | 11:37 | |
| -!- arowser [~quassel@106.120.101.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:37 | |
| -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 11:49 | |
| -!- zooko [~user@c-73-217-16-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 12:00 | |
| -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 12:05 | |
| -!- roasbeef_ is now known as roasbeef | 12:06 | |
| GreenIsMyPepper | Taek: agree 100% with your earlier comment that the primary part which is the most difficult is proving state cocisely without sharing all the data. Ignoring ordering/PoW/etcetcetc, I wonder whether it's sufficient to have many thousands of entities share all state data be conclusively understood as accessible (in other words, how many people are needed to be able to be confident of "infor | 12:14 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | mation wants to be free" when the time comes) | 12:14 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | ... i am talking about a "sidechains" or "sidechains-like" construction in thise case | 12:15 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | if you can presume that as true, you can punt a LOT of problems. it's messy in similar ways that PoW is messy, though | 12:17 |
| -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@x55b3b989.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 12:22 | |
| -!- Church- [~hatter@unaffiliated/church-] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:23 | |
| -!- Church- [~hatter@unaffiliated/church-] has quit [Client Quit] | 12:23 | |
| Taek | the problem gets worse if you assume that people are going to be actively trying to censor the information | 12:23 |
| Taek | Bitcoin is a good example of 'probably good enough', but I wonder how slim you can make a network before it becomes reasonably possible to censor critical data | 12:24 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | yeah, i'd be interested in the order-of-magnitude ballpark for the number which is effectively uncensorable | 12:24 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | (assuming i.i.d. of participants ;) | 12:24 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | i feel like if that's sufficiently solved, everything else is EZPZ | 12:25 |
| GreenIsMyPepper | hm. ezpz should've been in quotes | 12:25 |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 12:26 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE_ [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:27 | |
| -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:27 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 12:28 | |
| -!- molly [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 12:29 | |
| -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:32 | |
| -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 12:35 | |
| -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:37 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:37 | |
| -!- phiche [~Adium@c-39fae555.017-265-73746f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:40 | |
| -!- Krellan [~krellan@50.242.94.241] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:44 | |
| -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 12:45 | |
| -!- MoALTz [~no@78-11-183-124.static.ip.netia.com.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 12:50 | |
| -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 13:02 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 13:09 | |
| -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver2@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 13:11 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 13:13 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 13:16 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 13:20 | |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 13:23 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE_ [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 13:32 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 13:39 | |
| -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 13:42 | |
| -!- gielbier [~giel____@unaffiliated/gielbier] has quit [Read error: No route to host] | 13:43 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 13:50 | |
| -!- jannes [~jannes@178.132.211.90] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 13:55 | |
| -!- priidu [~priidu@unaffiliated/priidu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 13:57 | |
| -!- mrkent__ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:02 | |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 14:02 | |
| -!- zooko [~user@2601:281:8000:8387:8800:5967:f290:947e] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:08 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE_ [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:12 | |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:13 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 14:14 | |
| -!- mrkent__ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 14:16 | |
| -!- schmidty [~schmidty@unaffiliated/schmidty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:20 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 14:26 | |
| -!- phiche [~Adium@c-39fae555.017-265-73746f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] | 14:26 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 14:30 | |
| -!- phiche [~Adium@c-39fae555.017-265-73746f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:32 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.9.81] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:33 | |
| -!- zmachine [~zmachine@98.119.10.117] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 14:50 | |
| -!- zmachine [~zmachine@98.119.10.117] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 14:59 | |
| -!- zmachine [~zmachine@98.119.10.117] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:00 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2_ [~user@172.56.7.172] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:02 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.9.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 15:02 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2_ is now known as Jeremy_Rand_2 | 15:02 | |
| -!- Guest87203 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 15:19 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 15:19 | |
| -!- meZee [SwedFTP@unaffiliated/swedftp] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] | 15:20 | |
| -!- roman___ [~quassel@90.116.236.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 15:22 | |
| adam3us | the c,s encoding variant of schnorr https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511074.msg5727641#msg5727641 that looks like R=kG, [c=H(R,m), s=k+cd], Q=dG, verify: c=?H(sG-cQ,m) (which works because kG=sG-cQ) is in part interesting because schnorr claims that you can safely truncate c so you get eg a 48byte instead of 64byte raw signature. | 15:24 |
| adam3us | however that claim is based on some dodgy assumptions (eg that the signer is trusted to not try to construct collisions) so that is actually relatively insecure, if you do that the signer with effort 2^64 (which is TMTOable) can create one sig c,s that is valid signature for two different messages m and m'. that might be exploitable in a bitcoin setting. | 15:27 |
| -!- Guest53522 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:28 | |
| adam3us | also the c,s version isnt batch verifiable | 15:29 |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:29 | |
| -!- meZee [SwedFTP@unaffiliated/swedftp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:30 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.7.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 15:33 | |
| -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 15:33 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.14.114] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:34 | |
| -!- Charlie- is now known as Church- | 15:35 | |
| -!- NewLiberty [~NewLibert@2602:304:cff8:1580:f91c:e29:bfd:8789] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:39 | |
| -!- MaxSan_1 [~one@46.19.137.116] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:39 | |
| -!- phiche [~Adium@c-39fae555.017-265-73746f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] | 15:46 | |
| -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@38.121.165.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 15:47 | |
| -!- aj [aj@106.187.51.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 15:48 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.14.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 15:48 | |
| -!- wangchun [~wangchun@li414-193.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 15:48 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE_ [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 15:49 | |
| -!- CrazyTruthYakDDS [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmcbrlknkjuaorxl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:52 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 15:54 | |
| -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@184-207-11-247.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:54 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 15:56 | |
| -!- Guest53522 [~socrates1@li175-104.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] | 16:00 | |
| -!- Guest53522 [~socrates1@unaffiliated/socrates1024] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:00 | |
| -!- Guest53522 is now known as amiller | 16:00 | |
| -!- wangchun [~wangchun@li414-193.members.linode.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:05 | |
| -!- aj [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:09 | |
| -!- moa [~kiwigb@opentransactions/dev/moa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:11 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:25 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:33 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 16:33 | |
| -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nnjndsuodjqjdvmm] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:37 | |
| -!- Krellan [~krellan@50.242.94.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 16:38 | |
| -!- Krellan [~krellan@50.242.94.241] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:38 | |
| -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:39 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:40 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 16:45 | |
| -!- freekevin [freekevin@unaffiliated/freekevin] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 16:46 | |
| -!- freekevin [freekevin@unaffiliated/freekevin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 16:47 | |
| -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@184-207-11-247.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 16:48 | |
| -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] | 17:09 | |
| -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 17:10 | |
| -!- kmels [~kmels@93.166.151.186.static.intelnet.net.gt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 17:11 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 17:13 | |
| -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 17:13 | |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 17:20 | |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 17:21 | |
| -!- arodrigu [~arodrigu@107.15.99.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 17:31 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 17:32 | |
| -!- SireWolf [~SireWolf@cpc76136-clif11-2-0-cust178.12-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 17:32 | |
| -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 17:39 | |
| -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 17:40 | |
| -!- CrazyTruthYakDDS [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmcbrlknkjuaorxl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 18:10 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bmpnhqaakgixaksd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 18:13 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 18:17 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 18:18 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 18:29 | |
| -!- frankenmint [~frankenmi@174-25-22-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 18:29 | |
| bsm117532 | Taek, maaku, GreenIsMyPepper: A ZKP for consensus rules would go a long way. To that end I often wonder what is the hurdle in having hashes and signature verification as ZKP primitives. Current ZKP's (Garbled Circuts, Snarks) implement hash functions in an incredibly inefficient way, and that is the source of their slowness... | 18:30 |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.15.240] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 18:42 | |
| -!- Krellan [~krellan@50.242.94.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 18:43 | |
| kanzure | er, isn't the slowness also a consequence of a cpu that runs at essentially 1 op/sec? (i don't know what the actual rate is. but it's slow.) | 18:44 |
| bsm117532 | Turning logic gates into EC encryptions is a slowdown by a factor of roughly 10,000-100,000...yes. | 18:45 |
| -!- aquentson1 [~aquentson@unaffiliated/aquentson] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 18:45 | |
| -!- aquentson [~aquentson@unaffiliated/aquentson] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 18:47 | |
| bsm117532 | Also simulating logic gates on a general purpose CPU is another giant slowdown, even without the encryption. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | bsm117532: did you watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jzA6ts2j4 ? | 18:49 |
| kanzure | bsm117532: i typed up the words here http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/simons-institute/a-wishlist-for-verifiable-computation/ | 18:50 |
| bsm117532 | Will read. I hate videos... :-/ | 18:50 |
| -!- MaxSan_1 [~one@46.19.137.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] | 18:50 | |
| bsm117532 | Ooooh good link! | 18:51 |
| bsm117532 | And he's at NYU, I might have to go pester him... | 18:51 |
| -!- Burrito [~Burrito@unaffiliated/burrito] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 18:52 | |
| bsm117532 | From the perspective of sharding, at least, I see a way out: different shards append UTXO set commitment proofs to a transaction, and it gets passed around until it has a full set of proofs. Then it can be committed and all the shards it modifies can validate its inputs. | 18:54 |
| bsm117532 | Of course that's only one transaction. Doesn't help SPV wallets know which chain is better. | 18:55 |
| -!- shangzhou [uid156782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdcphlsduhkauquu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 18:56 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 18:58 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 18:58 | |
| -!- c-cex-yuriy [uid76808@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nnjndsuodjqjdvmm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 19:03 | |
| bsm117532 | kanzure: good talk, didn't have the info I was looking for. I still hope for further advances. I'd love to hear a way to make e.g. hashing a ZKP primitive. | 19:05 |
| * bsm117532 pushes on his braid paper to finish itself... | 19:05 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 19:06 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@172.56.15.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] | 19:07 | |
| -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-122-14-46-190.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] | 19:07 | |
| bsm117532 | amiller: Do you have any online talks about honey badger yet, or are you giving any soon that I might attend (NE USA)? | 19:09 |
| -!- King_Rex [~King_Rex@unaffiliated/king-rex/x-3258444] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 19:10 | |
| bsm117532 | We'd love to invite you to talk about it in NYC. | 19:10 |
| bsm117532 | Ok I'm totally trying to get out of doing a careful read of your paper so I can cite you properly. But the invitation is open nonetheless ;-) | 19:15 |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] | 19:27 | |
| -!- _rht [uid86914@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmmmufmvniljzzwp] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 19:27 | |
| -!- pro [~pro@unaffiliated/pro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 19:44 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 19:45 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 19:45 | |
| -!- CrazyTruthYakDDS [uid67551@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tkmgvyzyehnojeel] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 19:48 | |
| -!- jtimon [~quassel@18.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 19:48 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 19:49 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 19:58 | |
| -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@x55b3b8b4.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 19:58 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 19:58 | |
| -!- Jeremy_Rand_2 [~user@ip68-97-35-223.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:03 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqunktsuiebqzrin] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 20:08 | |
| -!- lmatteis [uid3300@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gvkkoajqiohqbkmb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:11 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 20:13 | |
| -!- arubi [~ese168@unaffiliated/arubi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] | 20:22 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 20:22 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:23 | |
| Taek | bsm117532: you still have a data withholding problem. It's not enough for me to be able to see a zkp that the state is a certain way, I need to be able to take that proof and build the next proof that I've changed the state to be a new way | 20:24 |
| Taek | actually, when I put it like that, the challenge doesn't seem so insurmountable | 20:24 |
| Taek | you have to make sure that the output of the zkp gives you enough to build off of | 20:24 |
| -!- infinite [~infinite@8.27.213.91] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:31 | |
| -!- infinite_ [~infinite@8.27.213.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 20:32 | |
| -!- jps [~Jud@cpe-74-65-202-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:36 | |
| -!- roconnor_ [~roconnor@host-45-58-250-47.dyn.295.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:36 | |
| -!- jps [~Jud@cpe-74-65-202-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] | 20:41 | |
| -!- nonaTure [~nonaTure@x55b3b8b4.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 20:43 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 20:48 | |
| -!- xsdfdfsa [~x@unaffiliated/sdfgsdfg] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:01 | |
| -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 21:02 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 21:02 | |
| -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:04 | |
| -!- shangzhou [uid156782@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kdcphlsduhkauquu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] | 21:08 | |
| -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@45.32.233.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 21:10 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 21:11 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:11 | |
| -!- isis [~isis@149.154.159.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] | 21:12 | |
| -!- dabura667 [~dabura667@45.32.233.97] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:17 | |
| -!- isis [~isis@abulafia.patternsinthevoid.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:19 | |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:21 | |
| -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 21:28 | |
| -!- Alopex [~bitcoin@cyber.dealing.ninja] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:30 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 21:44 | |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:44 | |
| -!- bitjedi_ [~QuaCryptI@108.61.68.156] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:45 | |
| -!- bitjedi_ [~QuaCryptI@108.61.68.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 21:45 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 21:47 | |
| -!- bitjedi [~QuaCryptI@unaffiliated/bitjedi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 21:47 | |
| -!- dEBRUYNE [~dEBRUYNE@unaffiliated/debruyne] has quit [Client Quit] | 21:49 | |
| -!- gigq_ [~gigq@2602:302:d14c:51a0:7df9:c2f1:cf2:9c25] has quit [Quit: leaving] | 22:12 | |
| -!- gigq [~gigq@2602:302:d14c:51a0:64af:8a8e:1c15:30b2] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 22:14 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 22:23 | |
| molz | Emcy, hi.. lol that bot banned a testnet address, but i did post it on a testnet site and they sent you some coin: http://tbtc.blockr.io/tx/info/85d6c6e5eb4ac2bc58aa2b4010b3b6b670c7f83e2b2e64444c50b2ca5809d72e | 22:23 |
| Emcy | i got rekt | 22:23 |
| Emcy | whats a testnet site | 22:23 |
| molz | i meant testnet faucet: https://testnet.coinfaucet.eu/en/ | 22:24 |
| Emcy | nice faucets still exist | 22:24 |
| molz | yup | 22:25 |
| Emcy | how do i get un b& | 22:25 |
| molz | ask midnightmagic to unban you | 22:25 |
| Emcy | bit harsh matching testnet addresses :/ | 22:25 |
| Emcy | hm the balance is considered available after 1 confirmation | 22:26 |
| Emcy | since when? | 22:26 |
| molz | since forever? | 22:27 |
| Emcy | it was 6 | 22:27 |
| molz | you can spend it after 1 confirm too | 22:27 |
| molz | i just sent you 1 btc | 22:29 |
| Emcy | 1 confirm was shown to be nearly as insecure as none | 22:30 |
| molz | true | 22:30 |
| Emcy | why are they respendable after 1 now | 22:30 |
| molz | idk | 22:34 |
| Emcy | rly weird | 22:35 |
| Emcy | thanks for the coins so | 22:38 |
| molz | np :) | 22:38 |
| molz | you should test segwit if you want | 22:38 |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] | 22:39 | |
| molz | there's #segwit-dev channel | 22:39 |
| molz | also, create CLTV tx's to see how cool they are lol | 22:39 |
| Emcy | i have no earthly idea what segwit is | 22:40 |
| Emcy | does bitcoin disallow sending coins back to origin address now | 22:44 |
| Emcy | or does the UI completely steer you away from that | 22:44 |
| molz | it doesn't disallow | 22:44 |
| molz | but we're advised not to reuse addresses | 22:45 |
| molz | but for testnet who cares | 22:45 |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 22:46 | |
| -!- Aranjedeath [~Aranjedea@unaffiliated/aranjedeath] has quit [Quit: Three sheets to the wind] | 22:47 | |
| Emcy | the ui completely doesnt show an "origin" address for coins | 22:48 |
| Emcy | i think it used to | 22:48 |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has quit [Quit: .] | 22:55 | |
| gwillen | Emcy: the Core UI never showed 'from' addresses for coins, because that's not really a coherent notion | 22:55 |
| gwillen | if you look at the UTXOs that fed into the transaction creating a particular UTXO in your wallet, there could be more than one, and they needn't have corresponding addresses at all, they could be complex scripts | 22:56 |
| Emcy | huh i remember getting people to stop sending coins back to addresses they came from being a big deal once | 22:57 |
| Emcy | maybe that was some pool or web wallet thing doing that tho cant remember | 22:58 |
| -!- PaulCapestany [~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 22:58 | |
| -!- ThomasV [~ThomasV@unaffiliated/thomasv] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 22:59 | |
| Emcy | does -gen still work | 23:00 |
| Emcy | doesnt seem to be doing anything | 23:00 |
| -!- AusteritySucks [~Austerity@unaffiliated/austeritysucks] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] | 23:01 | |
| Emcy | but its still listed as an option | 23:01 |
| gwillen | is that the flag to do cpu-mining? | 23:01 |
| gwillen | that was removed ages ago I think | 23:01 |
| gwillen | and yeah core never displayed 'from' addresses but I know blockchain.info did, maybe still does | 23:01 |
| -!- paveljanik [~paveljani@unaffiliated/paveljanik] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 23:01 | |
| Emcy | hm it still exists in the cmd line options section | 23:01 |
| molz | you can do: setgenerate true on the debug console but i doubt you can mine any coin | 23:03 |
| Emcy | on testnet? | 23:04 |
| molz | yea | 23:05 |
| molz | "difficulty": 2341243.666283378, (on testnet, impossible to cpu mine) | 23:07 |
| Emcy | doesnt do anything anyway | 23:08 |
| molz | i think some mining companies put their old asics on testnet | 23:10 |
| Emcy | are asics mature yet | 23:11 |
| molz | i have no clue | 23:11 |
| Emcy | the asic market was doomed to be a funhouse until process nodes approached the state of the art | 23:11 |
| Emcy | libsekp256k1 is used for both signing and validation now right | 23:17 |
| -!- ruby32 [~ruby32@ool-4a59b2e2.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 23:17 | |
| molz | oh now testnet difficulty is reset to 1, i guess you can mine then :) | 23:17 |
| Emcy | seemed an assload faster than i remember to sync | 23:17 |
| molz | yes i think so | 23:17 |
| molz | openssl is gone | 23:17 |
| Emcy | yay | 23:17 |
| Emcy | shame the cpu market is stagnant as a bog | 23:18 |
| Emcy | maybe amds new thing will kick the standard up to 8 cores finally | 23:19 |
| Emcy | molz did you send that 1 testcoin with no fee | 23:23 |
| molz | oh.. yes i did.. lol.. | 23:24 |
| molz | what happened.. i set zero fee to test earlier | 23:24 |
| molz | to see if the coin would be stuck but on testnet it's not like mainnet | 23:25 |
| Emcy | seems like it has missed a few blox | 23:25 |
| molz | oh no | 23:25 |
| molz | it's still unconfirmed | 23:26 |
| molz | sorry i forgot to look at that before sending it | 23:26 |
| molz | let me see if i can push it | 23:26 |
| Emcy | how can u push it | 23:26 |
| molz | you copy and paste the raw transaction here to push: http://tbtc.blockr.io/tx/push | 23:27 |
| molz | weird earlier i sent a zero fee tx and it went fine | 23:28 |
| Emcy | thats just reboradcasting | 23:29 |
| Emcy | did they do the increasing the fee thing yet | 23:30 |
| Emcy | stuck coins are a plague | 23:30 |
| molz | ok forget that tx, i'm sending you another tx | 23:33 |
| Emcy | different coins? | 23:34 |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 23:39 | |
| molz | ya from a different wallet | 23:41 |
| molz | we now have "abandontransaction" but it doesn't work well, maybe in the next version it will | 23:42 |
| -!- mrkent_ [~textual@unaffiliated/mrkent] has quit [] | 23:42 | |
| waxwing | guys, any reason you're not having this discussion in #bitcoin? not the right place here | 23:43 |
| molz | sorry he's banned from there but i'm done | 23:43 |
| -!- tromp [~tromp@ool-18be0bd8.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] | 23:44 | |
| Emcy | i got to bounce anyway | 23:44 |
| molz | there's gotta be another bitcoin channel for our normal discussions like this without any ops | 23:45 |
| waxwing | molz: ##bitcoin | 23:46 |
| molz | no thanks, waxwing that channel is for scums | 23:46 |
| waxwing | oh, well it has ops. other than that why not PM?! | 23:46 |
| molz | because there're things i might not know and someone else can help us? | 23:46 |
| -!- Emcy [~MC@unaffiliated/mc1984] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] | 23:48 | |
| -!- Ylbam [uid99779@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tzszmypelosumhsf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 23:48 | |
| -!- AusteritySucks [~Austerity@unaffiliated/austeritysucks] has joined #bitcoin-wizards | 23:56 | |
| -!- DougieBot5000 [~DougieBot@unaffiliated/dougiebot5000] has quit [Quit: Leaving] | 23:56 | |
| --- Log closed Wed Apr 20 00:00:52 2016 | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!