2016-06-25.log

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kanzure"How to backdoor Diffie-Hellman" http://eprint.iacr.org/2016/644.pdf04:27
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kanzurehttps://github.com/mimoo/Diffie-Hellman_Backdoor09:24
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bsm117532What would go horribly wrong with a coin that had *difficulty* as its token.  (Instead of filtering difficulty through a time-based reward schedule)  The avantage is that difficulty is fungible with itself, so it would allow chains to be merged without relying on synchronized clocks.12:53
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katu_bsm117532: be less vague12:57
katu_what is "difficulty as its token"12:57
katu_eg. give example12:57
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bsm117532E.g. if you mine a coin at today's difficulty of 209453158595, you would have exactly 209453158595 Satoshis to spend.12:58
vyvojarif you want non-pyramid scheme, its been tried before in altcoins many times12:59
bsm117532Coin creation would be weighted towards later times, instead of earlier times with Satoshi's schedule R(t) = 100BTC*2^(t/4 years)12:59
vyvojaryou break early adopter incentive and tuhs speculative value12:59
vyvojarend result: such altcoins tanked faster than usual12:59
bsm117532vyvojar: Has it?  Do you have any links?12:59
vyvojarbsm117532: most of these were outright ridiculous schemes, but generally broke the deflationary rule. i think one was called like 'magi'13:00
vyvojarjust pour through btctalk trashbin13:01
vyvojar*pore13:01
bsm117532ugh.13:01
vyvojarbsm117532: it can work very well in cryptocommodities13:01
kanzurehow is that not hashcash/powpay13:01
vyvojar(ie if somebody manages to implement successful proof of storage for storage renting)13:01
bsm117532kanzure: It is.13:01
kanzurehttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201920.013:02
bsm117532I can always rely on you to have something relevant at your fingertips kanzure.  ;-)13:02
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kanzureyes.. fingertips... http://xkcd.com/1530/13:03
bsm117532I've been thinking about it because I want to merge forks, and in order to do so you have to know how to value coins created on each side of the fork.13:03
bsm117532Nice try kanzure, but I've met you in person!  :-P13:03
katu_vyvojar: there's been nothing like to the date afaik, how can you be so sure about speculation?13:03
kanzurebsm117532: like petertodd, that was a hired actor.13:04
vyvojarbsm117532: i dont think you need to break the usual incentives for that. simply keep increasing divide factor (equivalent of halving, maybe more aggresive), but otherwise base reward pegged (before divisor) to hash rate13:05
bsm117532vyovar You've just described bitcoin, up to a constant factor BTC/difficulty.13:06
vyvojaryes, the magic is this is not bitcoin13:06
vyvojarbecause hash rate peg13:06
vyvojarif it halves, but hash rate doubles in the mean time, reward is still the same13:06
bsm117532But you said halving too.  ;-)13:06
vyvojarTHE PEG13:06
bsm117532But yes, another way to think of it is that difficulty adjustments are only to keep the block rate coming at a regular pace, and don't change coin allocation.13:07
bsm117532Yes a peg, we're saying the same thing.13:07
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katu_bsm117532, vyvojar one consequence of that would be coin inflation is no longer predictable13:08
bsm117532katu_ correct.  It's closer to the usual definition of "mining" in that regard.13:09
bsm117532I've come to see mining as posting an external economic asset into the crypto-coin.  Any other usage is an IOU.13:11
katu_22:06 < vyvojar> if it halves, but hash rate doubles in the mean time, reward is still the same13:12
katu_no, this does not guarantee pyramid13:12
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bsm117532Anyway, this was really about merging forks.  You don't want to have to reallocate coins in the event of a merge.  I've figured out how to make a continuous reward schedule with braids (no halvings) but a merge requires the two sides to agree on their *clocks* as well as rewards.13:12
katu_hash rate can simply overshoot13:12
katu_eg. asics13:12
katu_ton of black swans13:12
bsm117532katu_: Another way of justifying the reward schedule is that early hardware is less efficient than late hardware, but this is a curve that is hard to predict.13:13
bsm117532And it certainly doesn't justify the reward going all the way to zero.13:13
vyvojarkatu_: oh, right. but wouldnt hw eventually start copying moores law (ie asic die shrink) ?13:14
katu_vyvojar: possibly, just make sure to make your halvings faster than moores. even then, you basically pray that moore's law holds.13:14
katu_bsm117532: indeed, theres always potential for inflation, only bitcoin has hard cap. i dont consider this wise idea.13:15
katu_(assuming the demand is massively speculative which it seems it is, at least early in the life of a coin)13:16
bsm117532Another possibility would be to have the reward decay to a non-zero constant.  In the long time limit it would be equal (or equivalent to) a difficulty-based coin.13:16
vyvojarbsm117532: what do you mean reward decay, you mean some sort of ceiling on reward at any given time?13:18
bsm117532vyvojar: Take a reward schedule: R(t,d) = (100 BTC)*(exp(t/tau)+d)   t=time, d=difficulty, tau=(4 years)/ln(2)13:19
bsm117532vyvojar: Take a reward schedule: R(t,d) = (100 BTC)*(exp((-)t/tau)+d)   t=time, d=difficulty, tau=(4 years)/ln(2)13:20
bsm117532important minus sign inserted.13:20
bsm117532d needs to be divided by some "initial difficulty" factor.13:21
katu_bsm117532: d can always outpace your t value13:21
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bsm117532Yes, it can.  If the purpose is to incentivize early investors, that's not a huge problem.13:21
bsm117532Or if the purpose is to compensate for hardware shrinks, you're just saying Moore's law came too fast and the transition to difficulty-based coin happened earlier.13:22
katu_no, it is a huge problem. bitcoin is 7 years old now, and conjencture is that it relies on its pyramid property heavily. also you cant make predictions like that, maybe somebody will do asics in 2 months. its all too weak.13:22
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bsm117532katu_: think about the long-time limit. One is actually *expending* real-world assets.  If this isn't compensated by *creation* in the coin, this will place a cap on the value that enters the coin.13:25
bsm117532tx fees are a zero sum game.  No one will expend very much external assets to acquire them.13:25
katu_yes, it is all speculation. the consensus is that a lot of people "hodl" because they know exactly that their stakes are given and cant be devalued (in absolute bitcoin terms, not usd).13:26
katu_the moment you put uncertainty in there things get ... uncertain, and thus your currency is far less attractive for speculation13:26
vyvojaras i said, simply dont rely on pyramid and do something else, ie a commodity :)13:27
vyvojarstorage, bandwidth13:27
bsm117532or difficulty.  ;-)13:27
vyvojar(really hard to implement, maybe not even possible)13:27
vyvojarbsm117532: difficulty is not commodity.13:27
vyvojaroutsiders wont buy it for its intrinsic value.13:27
bsm117532As a proxy for CPU power or electricity, it certainly is.13:28
bsm117532vyvojar: It has no value.  It certainly has a *cost*.13:28
vyvojarwhat we're talking about is elastic supply. inflation as whatever commodity (eg storage server "hashrate" grow), deflation if it shrinks.13:28
vyvojarthis makes it extremely unattractive for speculation13:29
vyvojarbut13:29
vyvojarthe tokens will have still value, simply by the virtue of service provided to customers13:29
vyvojarin fact, the value could be even quite stable.13:29
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bsm117532I think it would be quite stable.  It's the only way invented to cause individual database rows to have a non-negligible cost, and therefore, become valuable as a medium of exchange.13:30
vyvojarbsm117532: note that new coins are "minted" only if total supply increases. if the network hashrate flatlines, no new coins are minted, miners get all their reward by simply providing service.13:30
bsm117532Everything else is IOUs.13:30
bsm117532vyvojar: correct.  I don't think that's a stable situation because of the ease of performing a 51% attack.13:31
vyvojarindeed, its all rather theoretical13:32
bsm117532So it seems to me that any coin actually does need there to be continuous creation of new coins.13:32
vyvojarand all proof of storage schemes i've seen are NaS-like13:32
vyvojaradding to the injury :(13:32
bsm117532This is why PoW works -- it sacrifices an external asset.  Storage doesn't actually sacrifice the asset.13:32
vyvojarindeed, storage is PoS-like13:33
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bsm117532Though you could argue for the time-value of storage, and then the asset sacrificed is electricity to run your HDDs and replacement costs for failure.13:33
vyvojarbsm117532: well, thats the general idea of providing open storage market13:34
vyvojarthe contracts are size*duration, contract default is failing to provide proof of storage etc13:34
bsm117532Honestly I haven't dug into the storage question :-/13:34
vyvojarbsm117532: i did a bit and it's not looking good :( have a stab at it though, it would be really interesting to have cryptocommodity13:35
bsm117532Taek is around here somewhere...13:35
vyvojarif storage happens, anything which can be online-proved can work similiarly (ie bandwidth, or even some mechanical-turk like contracts)13:35
katu_vyvojar: for all intents and purposes, bitcoin style is the simplest. just provide irrefutable guarantee that it cant suddenly inflate at any later time, and speculators do the rest :)13:37
bsm117532FWIW I think having proof of storage is very important.  It's a big piece of sharding the UTXO set and guaranteeing the whole schebang is still consistent!13:37
vyvojarbsm117532: that could be already done. nodes prioritizing network communication in exchange for storage proofs, ie tit-for-tat style, trivial online proof commitment. but it cant be easily commoditized into full blown economy as a central token.13:39
vyvojarat least im not sure how it could be done :/ i suppose something very vaguely broken like a PoS could work, but ..13:39
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katu_vyvojar: run a PoW coin, and have this as side tx consensus rule. ie miners can snitch on storage nodes which fail on their continuous storage proof contract.13:43
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vyvojarkatu_: huh?13:44
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katu_vyvojar: basically a script extended with oracle opcode "check this storage proof of bond XYZ", online13:45
vyvojarkatu_: erm, nope.13:46
vyvojarkatu_: first, split network view, ie not all miners can possible arrive at the same answer.13:46
vyvojarkatu_: second, just do fidelity bonds off chain for a service, like wifi hotspots in payment channel :)13:47
vyvojarthe point is to base whole chain on this (ie base miner incentive is _only_ this), its not stashed on the side. this would get rid of the immense energy cost currently attached to each transaction.13:48
katu_vyvojar: Well, the cost will go down the moment mining rewards are gone and its all tx funded (presumably, blocks will be *very* large)13:51
katu_for bonds, the network would not be self-organizing, it would be something like oniontip is now .. things would gravitate to few central providers pooling the bonds, which is why the oracle idea.13:52
katu_you have a point about the split view, though :(13:54
vyvojarkatu_: BTW, the most interesting research relating to this is various proposals to reward Tor relays, similiar problem, but bandwidth (which is harder to prove, as there is no succinct proof)13:58
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amiller_storage is a consumable resource14:31
amiller_if you're storing one thing, you can't also be storing another thing14:31
amiller_i don't get your point bsm11753214:31
bsm117532amiller_: which point?  about the time-value of storage?14:32
amiller_even if you aren't spending any electricit14:32
amiller_or replacing for failure14:32
amiller_it's still a resource you can spend14:32
bsm117532But it has zero marginal cost to you.  This is why no one pays for individual database rows.14:33
amiller_i think that's a distortion because of not having good ways to allocate or distribute it, it does seem that way but it's because of these other effects14:34
amiller_physically it's a limited a resource14:34
bsm117532So is air.  But you don't worry about running out of air when another person enters the room.  It's *marginal* cost is zero.  You don't worry about the cost of storing one more byte.14:35
amiller_that could change rapidly14:36
amiller_ilke, right now there isn't any way for me to monetize my storage14:37
bsm117532And when it does we'll see a market develop for storage coins.  ;-)14:37
amiller_if there were, then i'd use it all up, and then i wouldn't have any more unless i bought more hard drives and rented more rooms to store them in14:37
amiller_yeah ok fair enough14:37
amiller_when bitcoin started, cpu cycles were free, becuase no one had a way of monetizing their old laptops and last year's gaming gpus14:38
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bsm117532Yes, it wasn't until real value in terms of GPUs and ASICs became serious that its price started climbing.14:38
bsm117532When the marginal cost of generating bitcoins was zero, someone paid 10,000 BTC for a pizza.14:38
bsm117532If people were planning out their "storage mining rigs" the way they did for BTC, LTC, and ETH, we'd be in a different realm.14:40
bsm117532amiller_: what's your opinion on that, are we still lacking algorithms to make that work?14:41
r0acharen't storage as a resource coins doomed since you need to apply a continous wear to the source, otherwise you end up with fractional reserve storage, so you're really replicating PoW?  But maybe it can be replicating PoW using less energy in some manner...14:42
amiller_bsm117532, yes, still lacking, i think bramc and the SpaceMint folks at mit and austria are getting close14:42
amiller_r0ach, the hope is that the continuous wear can be very small relative to the amount of storage needed14:43
r0achonce you think it through all the way to the end14:45
r0achit honestly seems like it would centralize more14:46
r0achYou're giving the most benefit to the fabs to crank out high volume storage at lowest marginal cost.  That means just 1 single variable.  Right now you two 2 main variables, access to the fabs at a low price, plus good marginal cost of energy...14:49
r0achbut of course after sha256d is commoditized, it would go to 1 variable for BTC of just energy14:50
r0achFor the sake of argument, I'm going to say there is a much greater ability for entrepreneurs to try and find/create a low marginal cost energy setup than them trying to build a fab to create state of the art storage.  So the gateway into the system might be more "permissionless" with energy as the main factor.14:52
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bsm117532From a physics perspective, data storage is just entropy.  (Think Shannon entropy)  The two are inter-convertible.14:57
r0achI'm definitely seeing storage PoW as worse now.  We all know 1 BTC confirmation is completely arbitrary and meaningless since Satoshi didn't solve Byzantine generals.  So the only way confirmations are useful is leveraging the fact they have no upper limit with the idea that cost to attack is high and can't be sustained, yet with storage having a low marginal cost to sustain.15:02
r0achYour entire security model goes out the window IMO...15:02
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bsm117532r0ach: interesting argument.  Indeed Satoshi's solution places an assumption on the resources of an attacker, instead of identifying generals.  I've made this argument before.... "Your coin is secure as long as an attacker can't hold up a Google data center".15:16
bsm117532(Frankly I strongly dislike identifying generals/nodes in the first place...but assumptions about resources are difficult to make).15:17
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vyvojaramiller_: the storage is contract of time*objectsize, not just objectsize.15:47
vyvojaras for spacemint and filecoin, arent these broadcast schemes? you dont want it to work like that.15:47
vyvojarput/get requests15:47
amiller_what do you mean by broadcast schemes?15:48
vyvojarput/get15:48
vyvojarand random pickers15:48
vyvojaralso economics of filecoin are all over the place15:48
vyvojaranyhow, read the log what i had in mind :)15:48
amiller_filecoin is put/get and spacemint is not15:48
amiller_yeah time*objectsize is more what i had in mind not just objectsize15:49
vyvojaramiller_: spacemint is not what i had in mind (its just another naive burstcoin)15:50
amiller_i have no idea what you mean by 'naive burstcoin'15:50
vyvojarits literally quoted in spacemint paper15:50
vyvojarspacemint relies on tightrope nash to "solve" NaS15:51
vyvojarwhich is no solution at all15:51
amiller_tightrope nash?15:51
amiller_anyway i didn't advocate spacemint15:52
vyvojaranyhow, until this issue is addrssed15:52
amiller_they have a proof of space protocol that, while i think there is a flaw in it, is good and i think can be fixed15:52
vyvojarits basically dead in water :(15:52
vyvojaroh, if you mean PoS primitive15:52
vyvojarthere are plenty of reliable ones15:52
vyvojarthats not the issue15:53
vyvojar(PoS=pospace in this case)15:53
amiller_all the known constructions have problems with "grinding" or amortization basically15:53
vyvojaryep15:54
amiller_so the question is if that can be fixed15:54
vyvojarit will have have to completely abandon the misguided idea of peercoin15:54
vyvojaramiller_: the good news that the resource *is* external, ie one cant rewrite reality as is the case with stake. problem is merely with mining of multiple forks.15:55
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vyvojarbad news the proof is online one, so its even dubious if its worth it to keep blockchain, since the guarantees will be more closer to that of say, ripple15:56
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r0achfluffy, I think you might be the smartest person in this room being able to talk about flexcaps for 1 hour straight without even breathing in between22:47
* bsm117532 scrolls up...22:50
r0achon youtube:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2ra-LzMQk&feature=youtu.be22:52
bsm117532Oh god, that means I'm probably up there too...22:53
bsm117532Good to attach names to faces.  :-)22:54
bsm117532Also I would like to give a huge THUMBS DOWN on any future online conferences.  They suck.22:55
bsm117532It wasn't my first one.  They're always disasters.22:56
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