2016-07-04.log

--- Log opened Mon Jul 04 00:00:48 2016
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maakupetertodd: I'm really confused about your cannot-use-the-witness-nonce-for-soft-fork-extensions point01:25
maakui wrote code to do exactly that ~6mo ago01:25
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maakuhttps://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/segwit-commitment-path01:40
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zorba_tgVitalik Buterin on Segwit, does it make sense to anyone? https://en.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4r43ps/chinas_major_influence_over_bitcoin/d4yjy7t03:44
phantomcircuitnope03:54
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phantomcircuitalso nxt isn't PoS  it relies heavily on the network being homogeneous and absolutely no block data being censored03:57
phantomcircuit(as in there would be a permanent failure if an attack sustained a partition for like 24 hours or something pretty small)03:57
phantomcircuitit's just another on a looooong list of things which are broken but nobody with a clue cares to exploit03:58
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instagibbsPoNGAS06:53
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JackHis CSV activating today?10:43
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jl2012yes, in a few hours11:35
jl2012"today" depends on your timezone11:36
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JackHwell I am cutting it short soon, 4.15 left for today11:43
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maakubetter get on that hashing then12:12
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JackHhaha12:26
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petertoddmaaku: what's confusing about it? your code wasn't merged12:35
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nicolagrecodo you guys have any comments on the inclusive blockchains paper?15:10
amiller_this one? http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~avivz/pubs/15/inclusive_btc_full.pdf15:11
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nicolagrecoyes amiller_, it was on my reading list, I think the intuition of parallelizing block creation and merging of those in a main chain sounds really attractive (from a distributed systems point of view)15:17
nicolagrecoin other words, if you can avoid total order and have parallel agreements (that you can merge if there are no conflicts - I havent understood yet how they do)15:18
amiller_i dont understand the detalis of it well, im also curious if anyone here does15:18
nicolagrecobut since a year is passed and I haven't read much, I wonder if we killed their destiny for some reason15:18
nicolagrecoor if they are still a valid intuition/idea15:18
kanzureit was DAG stuff.15:19
nicolagrecoyup ^15:19
amiller_ethereum uses ghost, and i think it is appropriate to say that ghost has not turned out to be the weakest link in ethereum design15:19
amiller_ghost is closely related and came right before this paper, ghost basically does the same thing except you don't actually include any of the transactions off the main chain15:20
amiller_you just give out block bonus points15:20
amiller_there's a detailed game theory model in it, i'd like to understand that better15:21
nicolagrecowhat I had in mind (I haven't thought through this much yet)15:23
nicolagrecois that one could run parallel byzcoin instances in parallel in between elections15:23
nicolagrecoand then merge them eventually - and if not conflicting15:23
nicolagreco(assuming that what the inclusive paper is correct)15:24
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r0achThat NY Times article implying China has too much power brings up an interesting point about PoW.  If China is the marginal cost and manufacturing leader of the world, any open entropy system that relies on the same externalities should exactly mirror it.16:17
r0achSo it's not an actual PoW or Bitcoin problem, but a real world problem...16:18
maakupetertodd: my code demonstrates how the commitment mechanism works just fine16:18
maakuas it is right now it unfortunately gives the segwit branch highest priority as a top-level commitment, which I was annoyed with16:18
maakubut it *does* work16:18
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JackHwell well well, looks who has CSV now16:24
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