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| barubaru | Is there something that i can read about how to avoid central server and full sync of blockchain and still being able to prevent double spending? | 04:21 |
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| barubaru | Or in other words: is there a way to make a system where not a single node has full information but double spendings are prevented? | 04:28 |
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| bsm1175321 | Not yet. Some of us are working on that. | 05:57 |
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| * nsh frowns | 08:01 | |
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| nsh | can you even do mining without a roughly total state? | 08:09 |
| nsh | maybe rolling blocks in the way we do coinjoin tx's | 08:09 |
| nsh | but sounds like an orchestration nightmare | 08:09 |
| nsh | i think there's some distributed systems inescapableness here which requires some kinda compromise of economic hack again | 08:10 |
| nsh | *or | 08:10 |
| bsm117532 | nsh: You need to attach unspent-proofs to the transaction itself in order to mine. So two easter bunnies required: utxo set commitments and a mechanism to shard and collect proofs. | 08:13 |
| bsm117532 | But, if you don't have the whole UTXO set you're at a (slight) disadvantage with respect to a miner who does, because if you don't have to go poll your peers for proofs, you can start mining on a new txn earlier. | 08:15 |
| nsh | right | 08:15 |
| bsm117532 | This is basically the way Zcash works (without the sharding bit) | 08:16 |
| bsm117532 | The spender is responsible for creating these proofs... | 08:16 |
| bsm117532 | In a sharded scenario, I don't see a problem with the spender being required to gather the proofs before broadcasting his txn to be mined... | 08:17 |
| nsh | it would facilitate correlation and denial of service, but it's not too pathological | 08:21 |
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| bsm117532 | Hahaaaaa can you elaborate? I'm not sure what you mean? | 08:22 |
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| nsh | well, if you track enough proof solicitation requests it might assist in deanonymisation. and if you frustrate them [by partitioning] then spending is denied | 08:37 |
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| bsm117532 | De-anonymizing of IP's? Because the txn/proofs by themselves don't add any information that isn't already in the transaction graph. | 08:50 |
| bsm117532 | I kind of envision that service/wallet providers would perform this service, in general, not people's individual wallets. | 08:50 |
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| * nsh nods | 09:32 | |
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| JackH | does anyone know the economics of Ethereum in terms of: how much does it cost to fill 1MB in the blockchain? | 13:39 |
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| JackH | !topic | 13:49 |
| gribble | This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja | 13:49 |
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