2016-07-23.log

--- Log opened Sat Jul 23 00:00:05 2016
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lmatteisguys, i've been out of the blockchain-circle for a while now. just wondering whether much has been done in the field of using this "history of who owns how many numbers" for something else other than currency00:16
kanzurewhat00:22
kanzureyou want to force things to not have financial value?00:23
slackircbridge1<dts> Nice try commie00:24
lmatteiskanzure: well, perhaps certain systems can be built if these numbers aren't necessarily thought of as currency.00:28
lmatteisfor instance, imagine my 1 coin can be duplicated once. that's certainly not a fair (and logical) thing to do in a currency system00:29
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lmatteisbut perhaps it has its application in other systems00:29
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pigeonswhat certain systems?06:26
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kanzureapproximately how terrible would it be to use PKI schemes for verifying somewhat independent hardware re: whether someone is outsourcing their operations to some more centralized node?15:47
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TD-Linuxkanzure, you're going to have to expand on that16:26
kanzurerecently i proposed an incomplete scheme for p2p payments where you use salted blockchain data and some sort of proof of bitcoin rule validation of blockchain history16:27
kanzurei'm not sure if i can get that to work in a way that is mostly resistant to obvious kinds of outsourcing16:28
kanzureoh sorry i mean CA system not PKI system16:28
kanzureand the CA would be responsible for personally investigating whether it seems likely that there is no outsourcing occurring on certain premises16:29
kanzurei understand that CA processes can be subverted, but surely that should only make them 10% relable or 1% reliable instead of completely unreliable16:29
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zookoYou could use hardware remote attestation maybe.16:40
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kanzureeven with hardware attestation, you end up with the CA entity at the top, right? so how much do you discount its reported results?16:42
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TD-Linuxwell, in most systems the "CA" is the hardware manufacturer16:50
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zookoRight, I think this would reduce to a question of whether the hardware manufacturer was cheating or the hardware security system had been broken.16:52
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kanzureyes the assumption should be that it is possible to compromise that, and that it is hard to know from an external perspective once it does occur, so you should probably just discount and cap their claims anyway (or anything you do as a result of their claims)16:56
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menix01hello to all17:39
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AdrianGit would boil down to extra costs for chip manufacturers18:38
AdrianGblackberry did something similar with their chipsets, they were provisioned at the time of manufacturing and individually tracked18:38
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