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| lmatteis | guys, i've been out of the blockchain-circle for a while now. just wondering whether much has been done in the field of using this "history of who owns how many numbers" for something else other than currency | 00:16 |
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| kanzure | what | 00:22 |
| kanzure | you want to force things to not have financial value? | 00:23 |
| slackircbridge1 | <dts> Nice try commie | 00:24 |
| lmatteis | kanzure: well, perhaps certain systems can be built if these numbers aren't necessarily thought of as currency. | 00:28 |
| lmatteis | for instance, imagine my 1 coin can be duplicated once. that's certainly not a fair (and logical) thing to do in a currency system | 00:29 |
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| lmatteis | but perhaps it has its application in other systems | 00:29 |
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| pigeons | what certain systems? | 06:26 |
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| kanzure | approximately how terrible would it be to use PKI schemes for verifying somewhat independent hardware re: whether someone is outsourcing their operations to some more centralized node? | 15:47 |
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| TD-Linux | kanzure, you're going to have to expand on that | 16:26 |
| kanzure | recently i proposed an incomplete scheme for p2p payments where you use salted blockchain data and some sort of proof of bitcoin rule validation of blockchain history | 16:27 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure if i can get that to work in a way that is mostly resistant to obvious kinds of outsourcing | 16:28 |
| kanzure | oh sorry i mean CA system not PKI system | 16:28 |
| kanzure | and the CA would be responsible for personally investigating whether it seems likely that there is no outsourcing occurring on certain premises | 16:29 |
| kanzure | i understand that CA processes can be subverted, but surely that should only make them 10% relable or 1% reliable instead of completely unreliable | 16:29 |
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| zooko | You could use hardware remote attestation maybe. | 16:40 |
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| kanzure | even with hardware attestation, you end up with the CA entity at the top, right? so how much do you discount its reported results? | 16:42 |
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| TD-Linux | well, in most systems the "CA" is the hardware manufacturer | 16:50 |
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| zooko | Right, I think this would reduce to a question of whether the hardware manufacturer was cheating or the hardware security system had been broken. | 16:52 |
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| kanzure | yes the assumption should be that it is possible to compromise that, and that it is hard to know from an external perspective once it does occur, so you should probably just discount and cap their claims anyway (or anything you do as a result of their claims) | 16:56 |
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| menix01 | hello to all | 17:39 |
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| AdrianG | it would boil down to extra costs for chip manufacturers | 18:38 |
| AdrianG | blackberry did something similar with their chipsets, they were provisioned at the time of manufacturing and individually tracked | 18:38 |
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