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| ThomasV | NicolasDorier: I found this old post where you mention identicons | 01:00 |
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| ThomasV | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=965957.0;all | 01:00 |
| ThomasV | I'm thinking about creating an identicon for each wallet, from its xpub | 01:00 |
| ThomasV | this in order to mitigate the dumb attack where a users wallet is replaced by the attackers walet | 01:01 |
| @gmaxwell | won't attackers just upgrade and do a tiny amount of search to produce a 'close enough' identicon? | 01:02 |
| @gmaxwell | (I believe this was demonstrated for the ssh picture thing) | 01:02 |
| @gmaxwell | (or I suppose replace the identicon too) | 01:03 |
| ThomasV | gmaxwell: generated when the wallet is opened | 01:03 |
| ThomasV | but yes, they could try to produce a close enough one, if they have access to the victim's computer long enough | 01:04 |
| ThomasV | the "replace your victim's wallet" attack does not require any skill at the moment | 01:05 |
| ThomasV | it might be worth making it harder | 01:05 |
| ThomasV | gmaxwell: another way to deal with it would be to request password on startup, *without* encrypting the wallet | 01:06 |
| @gmaxwell | oh wow, you mean a _really_ dumb attack. Although you said it clearly I was still thinking of "replace addresses in clippboards or displayed on websites" | 01:09 |
| @gmaxwell | maybe the identicon might work there, but I fear that kind of attack is just so easily upgraded. | 01:10 |
| @gmaxwell | e.g. replace the wallet software with one that shows the old image. | 01:10 |
| ThomasV | gmaxwell: it seems to be the #1 attack on electrum wallets at the moment. low hanging fruit. | 01:11 |
| ThomasV | attacks on software have yet to be confirmed | 01:12 |
| phantomcircuit | gmaxwell, the ssh picture thing is indeed super easy to brute force | 01:13 |
| phantomcircuit | something that looks verrrry similar | 01:13 |
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| waxwing | talking of identicons, i always thought it would be an interesting idea to develop a graphical representation of hash fn outputs, such that somehow the symmetry and therefore beauty of the image increases with embedded PoW | 01:53 |
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| Taek | phantomcircuit, gmaxwell: do you have a link to the ssh picture thing? | 06:14 |
| Taek | I've thought a picture might help with key identification for a while too | 06:14 |
| Taek | your ability to find features in a picture is a lot better than your abilities to find an out-of-place word in a set of 15 | 06:14 |
| Taek | I was thinking more in the context of anti-evil-maid boot though, where it's more realistic that the attacker hasn't seen the original picture | 06:15 |
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| Pr0t3us | WARNING: Poloniex is stealing deposits selectively. DO NOT deposit coins on Poloniex and if you have also had coins stolen from Poloniex.com please PM me. | 08:35 |
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| fkinglag | wtf is this about polo stealing? | 09:52 |
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| maaku | scammer | 11:09 |
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| phantomcircuit | Taek, it's a standard option in openssh | 14:02 |
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| phantomcircuit | VisualHostKey | 14:02 |
| phantomcircuit | i leave it on because why not but im 99% sure i wouldn't notice changes | 14:02 |
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| Taek | I don't think that does a good job of capitalizing on the brain's ability to recognize familiar objects | 14:15 |
| Taek | imagine instead if it were a picture of a person | 14:15 |
| Taek | 16 choices for hair type, 16 choices for eye type, 16 choices for nose type, etc. | 14:15 |
| Taek | You'd need 64 features to get to 256bits | 14:16 |
| kanzure | great now what do your facial blindness users do? | 14:16 |
| Taek | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 14:16 |
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| * Taek quitely mutters 'natural selection' | 14:17 | |
| grubles | have an option for their favorite kitchen utensil | 14:18 |
| Taek | to get to 64 features you'd probably need a complex photo. Could be of a picnic. Then you get sky color, astral body, food, plant type, etc. | 14:19 |
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