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01:13 < rompert> mlz: don't bother, my cl node has soon finished the "Adding block" phase so you can have a go at it again :)
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05:00 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] ZmnSCPxj opened pull request #1216: devtools/onion: Add to gitignore. (master...onion-ignore) https://git.io/vxklH
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07:02 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/sphinx-doc 545745d Christian Decker: sphinx: removed false positive for lightning misspelling
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07:10 < mlz> Happy π Day!
07:11 < MarcioJr> haha
07:11 < MarcioJr> Happy π Day !!!
07:11 < bitonic-cjp> In what time zone?
07:11 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] ZmnSCPxj opened pull request #1217: Change `sendpay` result to be nearer to `listpayments` (master...sendpay-result) https://git.io/vxkKy
07:12 < shinohai> Hapy Pi day MarcioJr !
07:12 < bitonic-cjp> In UTC it's still 14:12.
07:12 < shinohai> (mlz also!)
07:12 < bitonic-cjp> (always ready to spoil the fun)
07:12 < mlz> lol     
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07:14 < shinohai> Just for that I'm going to put ice cream on my pie. So there.
07:15 < MarcioJr> Hey guys... can you please help with some theoretical questions?
07:15 < mlz> shinohai, i'm on a bouncer now :D if you remember me 
07:15 < shinohai> Yeah mlz, nice work!
07:15 < MarcioJr> If I want to run a LN wallet, but don't want to run a LN nor a bitcoind node. What am I suppose to do?
07:16 < mlz> shinohai, can we get MP to like Lightning? :D
07:16 < shinohai> Doubt it mlz. I care fuck all what he thinks anymore.
07:17 < shinohai> Satoshi seemed to visualize it, so good enough for me.
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07:22 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] cdecker pushed 1 new commit to sphinx-doc: https://git.io/vxki3
07:22 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/sphinx-doc 0ab7cbd Roman Zeyde: sphinx-doc: Fix small typo
07:27 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] cdecker force-pushed sphinx-doc from 0ab7cbd to f4e279b: https://git.io/vACta
07:27 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/sphinx-doc 3c314f7 Christian Decker: sphinx-doc: Initial checkin...
07:27 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/sphinx-doc 45328c9 Christian Decker: fixup! sphinx-doc: Initial checkin
07:27 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/sphinx-doc 8c1ed1d Christian Decker: fixup! fixup! sphinx-doc: Initial checkin
07:29 < mlz> shinohai, exactly :) 
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07:32 < mlz> MarcioJr, a LN node is also a wallet
07:32 < MarcioJr> yes, I got that mlz
07:32 < mlz> MarcioJr, LN is built on top of Bitcoin network, so if you don't connect your LN node to bitcoin, how can your LN node know where it is?
07:33 < MarcioJr> But... if I want to make an application that isn't a LN node
07:33 < MarcioJr> Sorry, I wasn't clear. let me reformulate
07:33 < MarcioJr> I don't want to "be" a node. I understand that I must connect to the nodes. I just don't want to run it, on my server.
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07:34 < mlz> oh you mean like a LN light client? not sure if c-lightning has it
07:34 < MarcioJr> I mean... I just want to build an application that is a LN wallet. That can generate Ln addresses, open channels to other nodes and send payments.
07:34 < mlz> LND has Neutrino which is a light client that you can use someone else's bitcoin full node
07:35 < MarcioJr> Yes, something like that, mlz!
07:35 < MarcioJr> I've heard about this Neutrino ... But didn't got to read how it exactly works.
07:37 < MarcioJr> So, do you believe that we don't have this kinda light client (or wallet only) for C-Lightning, mlz ?
07:38 < lxer> i dont know, but I guess it just needs a simple interface that connects to some remote bitcoind
07:42 < MarcioJr> Sorry lxer, I didn't got your point. can you please explain me?
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07:48 < mlz> lxer, oh that's possible i think
07:48 < mlz> is it rpcconnect=IP to be put in your config? 
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07:49 < mlz> i only know how to connect my c-lightning node to another user's bitcoind on the same machine :) 
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07:54 < MarcioJr> I mean, I also believe that in lightnind there are some options to connect to remote bitcoin node, thus not being necessary to run a local bitcoind.
07:54 < MarcioJr> But still, we would be running the LN node.
07:57 < MarcioJr> I just want to understand things better... 'cause the node must be online in order to make and receive payments.
07:58 < MarcioJr> So, there isn't much sense to have this nodes everywhere... Anyway we need to be able to make and receive payments anytime. Then, I am wondering how is this architecture going to be
08:00 < shinohai> MarcioJr: You one of those folks that think SPV clients are "good enough, no need for fully validating nodes" ?
08:00 < MarcioJr> If, for instance, I build a smartphone app, I believe that I'll have a server which is a LN (and probably a bitcoind) full node and all the clients will connect to this server.
08:00 < shinohai> Just curious.
08:01 < MarcioJr> well... no, shinohai. I don't believe that SPV clients are a solution 'cause its based on trusting someone else. This is not my point.
08:01 < shinohai> Trying to make sense of what you are saying is all.
08:02 < MarcioJr> I'm quite new to LN technology... Just trying to figure out how is this probably going to be on the near future
08:03 < MarcioJr> Then, I make a few questions to myself... and have been trying to answer then. I put a bitcoind and lightningd up and running on my server at testnet. And I was able to test and answer many of my questions.
08:03 < MarcioJr> But not all of then, yet.  :-)
08:03 < MarcioJr> That's why I am asking you guys here. Maybe hearing other peoples opinion and experiences I can found those answer out.
08:04 < MarcioJr> One, still not answered (to me) question is simple as this: "What is the minimum necessary to run a LN wallet?"
08:05 < MarcioJr> Just imagine that I want to build an app that will be an LN wallet. What am I suppose to do at all ?
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08:07 < shinohai> Isn't that why the source code is open source, so one can read it and understand what to do with it?
08:09 < MarcioJr> Isn't why we have those IRC #'s , forums and comunities so we can exchange experience with others?
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08:18 < MarcioJr> Nice guys, gotta go for a couple hours. Be back later...
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08:22 < rompert> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gxuHRIsK/pipe%20dream
08:23 < rompert> i'm not sure what happened this time, but i *suspect* it might be a broken pipe
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08:30 < shinohai> Bummer about the broken pipe, hopefully you have some rolling papers around for emergencies.
08:33 < rompert> already called the plumber
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08:43 < mlz> lol     
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09:59 < joeBlowCryptoFan> Can someone help me? I'm trying to connect to the lightning network on bitcoin mainnet. When I try to connect I get the error: "Wallet blockchain hash does not match network blockchain hash:"..I think this is because I first started it on the testnet, and there is a problem with the wallet it created. Is this correct?
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10:11 < joeBlowCryptoFan> ..can anyone help me?
10:14 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] cdecker pushed 1 new commit to sphinx-doc: https://git.io/vxItF
10:14 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/sphinx-doc 0ea76a1 Christian Decker: sphinxdoc: Fix conf.py flake8 and ignore complexity metrics...
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10:32 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] cdecker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vxIY5
10:32 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/master f9bc035 ZmnSCPxj: devtools/onion: Add to gitignore.
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10:40 <@cdecker> joeBlowCryptoFan: you created the wallet with testnet and now you're trying to connect to mainnet, that's not permitted currently
10:40 <@cdecker> You'll need to create a new wallet by specifying something like `--lightning-dir=$HOME/.lightning/bitcoin` on startup
10:41 < mlz> cdecker, how can i connect my c-lightning node to a bitcoind on a different IP? (testnet) 
10:42 < mlz> i've tried with "bitcoin.rpcconnect=<IP>" put in config but it doesn't work 
10:42 < mlz> i mean bitcoin-rpcconnect*
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10:47 <@cdecker> Strange that should work
10:47 <@cdecker> Does it change anything if you specify `--bitcoin-rpcconnect` on the command line?
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10:48 <@cdecker> It's just being passed through to `bitcoin-cli`, does `bitcoin-cli --rpcconnect=IP --rpcuser=user --rpcpassword=pass echo hi` work?
10:49 < mlz> `bitcoin-cli --rpcconnect=IP --rpcuser=user --rpcpassword=pass echo hi` doesn't work
10:50 < mlz> $ lightningd --bitcoin-rpcconnect
10:50 < mlz> lightningd: --bitcoin-rpcconnect: requires an argument
10:51 < mlz> $ lightningd --bitcoin-rpcconnect=94.176.237.167
10:51 < mlz> Aborted
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11:52 < buZz> how can i force c-lightning to actually look at blockchain for funds?
11:52 < buZz> i have a 'funds' under listfunds that is marked as 'unconfirmed'
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11:53 < buZz> yet has >41000 confirmation on chain
11:53 < buZz> eh >4000
11:53 < buZz> or does that 'status: unconfirmed' means something else?
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12:09 <@cdecker> It just means that we haven't tracked its blockheight, #1209 is tracking the issue
12:09 <@cdecker> It doesn't affect your ability to spend them
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12:18 < buZz> cdecker: ah okidoki, tnx :)
12:18 < buZz> cdecker: btw did you get my question about the missing items from blockstream store earlier? 
12:19 < buZz> i still got no email or snailmail from you guys ;)
12:20 <@cdecker> buzz, didn't see that, no, but I can ping our shipping team again, we are a bit swamped it seems
12:21 < buZz> i sent them a email when i received the items that ~half my order was missing, but got nothing back :)
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17:12 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] ZmnSCPxj opened pull request #1218: Make `pay` return more information, also have a timeout (master...pay-informative) https://git.io/vxIje
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17:27 < MarcioJr> hello guys. I have a channel on ONCHAIN state for about 2 days, now.
17:27 < MarcioJr> https://paste.ee/p/aR6qp
17:27 < MarcioJr> How can I solve this?
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22:50 < wolfgang587> THIS IS A FREENODE BREAKING NEWS ALERT!! Hitechcg AND opal ARE GOING AT IT RIGHT NOW WITH A LOT OF FIGHTING AND ARGUING WOW YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS!! TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION...AGAIN TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION!!
22:50 < wolfgang587> THIS IS A FREENODE BREAKING NEWS ALERT!! Hitechcg AND opal ARE GOING AT IT RIGHT NOW WITH A LOT OF FIGHTING AND ARGUING WOW YOU DON'T WANT TO MISS THIS!! TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION...AGAIN TYPE /JOIN ## TO SEE THE ACTION!!
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23:32 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] rustyrussell opened pull request #1220: WIP: Reserve greater than dust (master...reserve-greater-than-dust) https://git.io/vxLGW
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