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09:04 < ctrlbreak> So yeah... if anyone is willing to chat with me about why I cannot seem to successfully use LN to pay someone, I'd greatly appreciate it.  I'd like to understand if its something I'm doing wrong or an incorrect configuration of my node.
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09:37 < molz> ctrlbreak, what do you mean?
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09:38 < ctrlbreak> molz; "Welp... so much for bitcoinshirt.co selling me a mug.  30+ failed attempts from my Eclair wallet... 21 so far from my CL node directly"
09:39 < ctrlbreak> I would like to understand why/how this is failing.
09:39 < ctrlbreak> is it something systemic to LN beyond my control or is it something wrong with my setup.
09:39 < molz> ctrlbreak, maybe it's their node's issues?
09:40 < ctrlbreak> How can I possibly tell?
09:40 < molz> ctrlbreak, what happened? 
09:41 < ctrlbreak> ?? All payment attempts from my Eclair wallet and my CL node directly are failing.
09:41 < molz> hm 
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11:38 < niftynei> ctrlbreak: have you checked your log files for errors? 
11:39 < ctrlbreak> niftynei: Yup, just don't know what to make of them.
11:39 < ctrlbreak> A buddy and I are going to spend some time with this tonight...
11:40 < ctrlbreak> hopefully both learn more and figure it out ourselves (through good old frustration and pain... lol)
11:40 < niftynei> i'd be happy to take a look if you want 
11:41 < ctrlbreak> Cool.  Is there anyway to do a debug dump for a specific failed payment... or will I need to roll back through and pull out the relevant periods from the debug log?
11:42 < ctrlbreak> Also, I just thought of another question; 
11:42 < ctrlbreak> If a channel state is listed as ""CHANNELD_NORMAL:Funding transaction locked. Waiting for their announcement signatures."
11:42 < ctrlbreak> as opposed to:
11:43 < ctrlbreak> "CHANNELD_NORMAL:Funding transaction locked. Channel announced."
11:43 < ctrlbreak> Does it imply that the channel is not public?
11:44 < ctrlbreak> Because a majority of my channel states are 'waiting for their announcement signatures'... as opposed to 'channel announced'
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13:13 < molz> ctrlbreak, i asked about "Waiting for their announcement signatures" before and here's what cdecker said: 
13:13 < molz> Oct 12 11:35:28 <cdecker>	molz: that's LND sending the announcement sig before the funding locked (see https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/2014) and therefore we don't get it when we expect it
13:13 < molz> Oct 12 11:35:47 <cdecker>	PR #2014 is a workaround that should fix that 
13:14 < molz> hm that PR was merged but it didn't fix it?
13:15 < molz> ctrlbreak, but from what i understand those channels are locked
13:15 < molz> i mean the funding tx is locked
13:16 < ctrlbreak> Okay.  I figured they were indeed locked... I'm just wondering if they in fact show up as public.
13:16 < ctrlbreak> I think they must for sure... as I can see them on various LN explorers (duh! lol)
13:16 < molz> they are public
13:17 < molz> i don't think c-lightning has private channels?
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17:17 < ctrlbreak> molz, finally setting up that LND node adjacent my CL node... going to open channels between them as well.
17:19 < molz> 👍 that's what i'm doing too :D
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