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01:55 < t0mix> what is DLP?
02:11 < molz> data loss protection
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02:37 < t0mix> my channels are not routing any traffic. I'm doing something wrong. 11 active channels, I changed base fee 1000, rate just to 1.
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02:39 < t0mix> 7 channels have capacity only in single direction. but what can I do with that.
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05:49 <@cdecker> Yeah, I think we're releasing soon. We have some things accumulated that we'd like to push out
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06:53 < ctrlbreak> t0mix - You can attempt to balance them?  It would be easier to get started if you had an incoming channel with some capacity available.  Let me know your node info and I'll open a channel :-)
07:05 < t0mix> ctrlbreak, 0214ec84c84827dd4911de56d2ecb77d367c6f24c658b8acfe4826b01968e45594@78.141.123.99:9735
07:07 < ctrlbreak> Need a few moments ;-) 
07:11 < ctrlbreak> "funding_txid": "daa63ddaf7d4052da623abc2fe31e4bfcb82f8f2c38bfac0894bf68a119de844"
07:12 < ctrlbreak> Once opened, I'll push a bit through it (a payment to myself via another node I operate).
07:13 < t0mix> so that's the trick, operate on more than 1 node? interesting. thank you++
07:14 < ctrlbreak> Well... the trick is to try and get channels balanced (tricky and manual currently... but these things are always improving ;-)...
07:14 < t0mix> hm.. by balanced you mean 1:1 in and out? or it very depends?
07:15 < ctrlbreak> If no one has organically opened an *incoming* channel to your node... this can be difficult to get started.  Usually at that point, one needs to spend some initial funds to get some channel fluidity happening...
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07:17 < ctrlbreak> Kinda... with 100% lopsided channels (balance is either 100% local, or 100% remote), but a mix of the 2... your node can technically route (if a payment attempts to route through in the proper respective directions)...
07:18 < ctrlbreak> but is even MORE likely to succeed in routing micropayments if all the channel balances are something like 50% local / 50% remote...
07:19 < t0mix> I lost a million satoshi on lightningspin.com (to gain inbound. sure I didn't plan to loose so much), then I googled how to stop gambling addict. anyway, it didn't help me with routing.
07:19 < ctrlbreak> but this requires active operator management (at the moment)
07:19 < ctrlbreak> hehehe... yeah, DANGER!
07:19 < ctrlbreak> lol.
07:19 < t0mix> no problem with active management. as long as it is effective.
07:21 < ctrlbreak> kk  Unfortunately, it's still a bit tricky at the moment, especially with cL.  The basic idea to *manually* balance your channels is to construct a custom route of your own where the first hop OUT and the last hop IN are that channels that you want to adjust the balance on.
07:27 < t0mix> I never tried LND. I had troubles running it on rapsberry Pi
07:28 < t0mix> somce c-lightning compiled and run nicely, I didn't try more
07:29 < t0mix> *since
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08:43 < ctrlbreak> Ahhh... I have 2 of each running now.  Both Testnet and Mainnet.
09:44 < molz> ctrlbreak, what's the URI of your c-lightning node on testnet?
09:46 < ctrlbreak> molz :-(... Just checked and I haven't punched that one through the FW yet.  Gimme 10min.  I'm behind like 3 perimeter networks. lol.
09:46 < ctrlbreak> I really should move these mofo VMs out a few layers now that I think about it :-S
09:47 < ctrlbreak> Especially the Testnet ones.
09:49 < ctrlbreak> I still get a kick out of it's auto-gen alias: "SLIMYGENESIS--88-g82ff580-modded"
09:58 < ctrlbreak> "If my calculations are correct... when this slimy baby hits 88 HTLCs-per-second... you're gonna see some serious crashdumps!"
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10:13 < molz> lol
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10:28 < ctrlbreak> Fuck that took too long.  VM wasn't on a static IP, nor binding for listening... then threading through 3 firewalls and remembering to take a damn config backup each time... sheesh.
10:28 < ctrlbreak> molz: 03010975db14da46e2d026f3f9798cc2e202a40a3f540001f1defdff5adfbef1f1@142.162.20.53:9734
10:33 < molz> ctrlbreak, oh thanks, let me connect
10:37 < molz> ctrlbreak, which commit are you on?
10:48 < ctrlbreak> Okay... Now to do a little mini-balance with t0mix
11:07 < ctrlbreak> Congrats t0mix , you have routed a LN payment.
11:12 < t0mix> ctrlbreak, yay! my 2nd one in history. and all two payments just within one month. it's growin exponentionaly! :)
11:12 < ctrlbreak> heheh
11:13 < ctrlbreak> It actually opened up a channel that someone peered to me.  A 300,000 SAT channel that *was* 100% remote... now ~50,000 SATs have been pushed my way.
11:15 < t0mix> molz, may I connet to your node? I still have few millions left for channel opening. I will be perfect route between you and ctrlbreak O:)
11:16 < ctrlbreak> Hehe... you can also connect to MY other node if you want too....
11:16 < t0mix> yes
11:16 < ctrlbreak> https://1ml.com/node/0290fb6ecd5865f7a973e1d48ffbc2612f80f6a2defbd6a188928bd0492bc2847e
11:17 < ctrlbreak> That's my CL node.
11:17 < ctrlbreak> I have some pretty fat channels to some LNBIG peers too...
11:18 < ctrlbreak> They started opening max cap. channels to me... so I used my other LND node and opened max cap. channels back to those same peers... then pushed approximately 50% of the balance back through them to my CL node in a kinda 'triangle' route.
11:20 < t0mix> "txid": "a8b5e8b42a79b109b2f84a89f64736b2837950807506f7b536ec1534f4f6a9e8" .. is it worth opening channel to LN big?
11:21 < molz> t0mix, you mean testnet?
11:22 < ctrlbreak> Well... you don't really need to, but you could :-)
11:22 < ctrlbreak> #mainnet!  'cause #reckless lol
11:23 < molz> i prefer people would spend some money 
11:23 < t0mix> I never used testnet.. cos.. I have gambling problems
11:23 < molz> you can route some payments even if you don't have many channels but you have liquidity
11:23 < molz> well ..lol
11:23 < ctrlbreak> I spend LN Sats daily shit-tagging satoshis.place or leaving flowers on BTC tombstones :-P
11:24 < molz> lol
11:24 < molz> i spent some money to watch the candy dispenser lol
11:24 < molz> and yes i gambled too
11:25 < ctrlbreak> I think I have *at least* 7 or 8 coffee mugs from bitcoinshirts... and hoodies and tshirts...and the stickers. heh.
11:25 < molz> i also bought two hoodies from Blockstream store.. wondering if i have enough hoodies .. lol
11:25 < molz> wearing one right now as a matter of fact
11:25 < ctrlbreak> I bought a sweatshirt from bitcoinshirts (I think) that has one of my own QR codes on it ;-)
11:27 < t0mix> I do have stickers and I left some flowers at cemetery. I'm waiting for chess or some good tactic game to be released, so I can gamble with my skills rather than with pure luck.
11:30 < ctrlbreak> Wasn't there a LN chess games somewhere?
11:31 < ctrlbreak> CHECK IT OUT: https://imgur.com/a/h4yCAc5
11:32 < t0mix> ctrlbreak, that is you?
11:33 < ctrlbreak> Shhhh... my OpSec is TURRRRIBLE today.
11:35 < t0mix> to make you feel a bit better. here, that's me https://tinyurl.com/y8osnsku
11:38 < ctrlbreak> Lol.
11:42 < t0mix> I'm thinking of backups for my CL wallet. I think it's not recommended since during restore I might broadcast invalid closing transacion and thus loosing all funds. is that correct?
11:43 < t0mix> if I'm going to open more or more liquid channels, I need to be sure I'm not going to loose funds.
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11:45 < pancu> hi, i used thor from bitrefill to have a channel open with my c-lightning
11:45 < pancu> listpeers command returns nothing and when i try to connect, after few moments i see this in log
11:46 < pancu> 2019-02-02T19:13:27.045Z lightningd(1422): lightning_openingd-030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f chan #6: Gossipd told us to send error
11:46 < pancu> 2019-02-02T19:13:27.045Z lightningd(1422): lightning_openingd-030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f chan #6: peer_out WIRE_ERROR
11:46 < pancu> 2019-02-02T19:13:27.045Z lightningd(1422): lightning_openingd-030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f chan #6: Peer connection lost
11:46 < pancu> 2019-02-02T19:13:27.045Z lightningd(1422): lightning_openingd-030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f chan #6: Status closed, but not exited. Killing
11:46 < pancu> 2019-02-02T19:13:27.045Z lightningd(1422): 030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f chan #6: Owning subdaemon lightning_openingd died (62208)
11:46 < pancu> i have lightningd v0.6.3rc1-118-g0da4054 compiled yesterday
11:47 < pancu> they are using lnd and told me that the channel seems still open on their sid
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13:00 < jb55> with spontaneous payments (https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/pull/2455) + a clightning plugins, would this be enough to have a lightning node that pays a subscription every month?
13:05 < molz> jb55, you're gonna hurt Rene's feelings :P  
13:05 < jb55> why's that
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13:22 < molz> jb55, just kidding lol
13:50 < t0mix> 1000 satoshi question: what is the example syntax of "lightning-cli sendpay <blablabla>?
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14:48 < molz> t0mix, "lightning-cli help sendpay", but beat me, when you get it figured out, do tell :)
14:56 < t0mix> this is my try #137:
14:56 < t0mix> lightning-cli sendpay ["0290fb6ecd5865f7a973e1d48ffbc2612f80f6a2defbd6a188928bd0492bc2847e","02529db69fd2ebd3126fb66fafa234fc3544477a23d509fe93ed229bb0e92e4fb8","02ad6fb8d693dc1e4569bcedefadf5f72a931ae027dc0f0c544b34c1c6f3b9a02b","03c2abfa93eacec04721c019644584424aab2ba4dff3ac9bdab4e9c97007491dda"] 443281dddf6117a9f53efe848142891d9de135c129fb377fc8a74b8bed1c360a test 1000
14:56 < t0mix> { "code" : -32602, "message" : "Expected array or object for params" }
14:57 < t0mix> once I figure out, I'll share for sure
15:07 < ctrlbreak> I think it needs to in JSON format?  
15:07 < ctrlbreak> *be
15:11 < ctrlbreak> Yup... I believe it's looking for data similar to the output from getroute
15:11 < ctrlbreak> For an example... run this:
15:11 < ctrlbreak> ./lightning-cli getroute 02a5a95669adcb170dc85a70eef8bdd3e60b459d83bb47b6aac3e17c58faffc919 100000 0 -J | jq -C . | less -R
15:12 < ctrlbreak> That *should* return a 1 hop route from your node to mine valid for 100,000 msats.
15:13 < ctrlbreak> That's the format (JSON array) of peer hops that sendpay can parse (I believe. lol.)
15:15 < ctrlbreak> ... sorry.  FYI - the '| jq -C . | less -R' aren't needed.  Just something I usually have on the end to make dealing with the output easier on the eyes.
15:19 < t0mix> -J .. I didn't know that one. by accident I found "-h" .. where also -J is mentioned: "lightning-cli getroute 02a5a95669adcb170dc85a70eef8bdd3e60b459d83bb47b6aac3e17c58faffc919 100000 0 -h"
15:21 < t0mix> funny thing, I don't always get single hop. e.g. on 3rd try I got 5 hops route to you
15:21 < t0mix> btw, not even -J is required. the output is JSON anyway =/
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15:24 < t0mix> man less
15:24 < t0mix> lol
15:27 < t0mix> I can't feed "ligtning-cli sendpay" with multiline JSON output
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