--- Log opened Fri Apr 05 00:00:35 2019
01:02 < m-schmoock> ctrlbreak_MAD: you mentiond you were working on a plugin that uses the setchannelfee feature to try to balance channels over time? Can you share and tell me more about that?
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07:39 < fiatjaf> why do I have a channel that doesn't have a short_channel_id?
07:39 < fiatjaf> is this ok?
07:45 < m-schmoock> it has no confirmed funding tx yet
07:46 < m-schmoock> its okay if it does not persist for long :D
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07:50 < fiatjaf> oh, right
08:54 < m-schmoock> cdecker: thx for you input. updated https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/2506
08:54 < m-schmoock> is it okay if I answer, forcepush and resolve conversation in one step, or do you prefer me not to resolve the remarks?
09:06 < fiatjaf> what does 'direction' mean?
09:06 < fiatjaf> is it about who opened the channel?
09:13 < fiatjaf> 1 means they've opened, 0 means we
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09:35 < runcrypto> Hi, I'm participating in the boltathon later and wanted to know if I can access hsmd through a plugin to sign a message using the nodes private key?  From what I gather, I can interact with hsmd through lighningd stdin but can't see any examples that show this
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13:30 < fiatjaf> how can I get a bunch of routes instead of just one?
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14:51 < ctrlbreak> m-schmoock: I was going to *try* and perhaps write some shitty python code to leverage the feature enhancement request YOU'VE been so graciously working to implement.  Unfortunately, I ran out of my sabbatical time and had to return to my real day job :-/ 
14:52 < ctrlbreak> m-schmoock: I'll see if I can paste my original explanation and what I was thinking:
14:52 < ctrlbreak> <ctrlbreak>	Here you are.  This is what I've been thinking about, and why I would desire the ability to have fine grained control over per channel fees: https://imgur.com/a/2GnkVYh
14:52 < ctrlbreak> Feb 04 19:37:16 <ctrlbreak>	THis is just the general idea.  It may be crazy and not feasible.  Obviously the function of the asymptotic curve should be configurable... and I personally imagine a long tail in the "nominal fee range" between 0.5 and 1.... but you could also mirror it I guess :-S ?
14:52 < ctrlbreak> Feb 04 19:38:53 <ctrlbreak>	Anyway.. just a concept.  Threw the fuzz value in there so that you could at least attempt to obfuscate and frustrate someone trying to suss out channel balances and 'money flows' via analysis.
14:53 < ctrlbreak> I think I may have confused or poorly explained what I meant by "long tail in the "nominal fee range" between 0.5 and 1...."
14:54 < ctrlbreak> The X-Axis is my shitty-MS-Paint is a *factor* that represents local amount / chan capacity.
14:55 < ctrlbreak> I'm thinking that the frequency of this fee-change calculation (or hysteresis if you will) shouldn't be too high.
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14:56 < ctrlbreak> I've come to discover that really the only time my Eclair wallet craps out on a payment now is because of stale fee data along the path!  It constructs a valid payment path, but the hop fees are based on stale data :-/
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14:59 < ctrlbreak> anyway... burntout from a 50+ hour week and unwinding. Praying for a layoff w/ severance so I can come back!  100% of the time!
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17:06 < runcrypto> sorry to ask this again - can I access hsmd through a plugin to sign a message using the nodes private key?  From what I gather, I can interact with hsmd through lighningd stdin but can't see any examples that show this
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17:52 < rusty> runcrypto: the hsm doesn't provide such an API.  It probably should,though, and expose it via RPC.  The lnd devs have a signmessage thing, but they haven't documented it yet (we asked)...
17:57 < runcrypto> ok, thanks I'll perhaps take a look into it as a little project later ;)
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18:23 < fiatjaf> runcrypto, https://gist.github.com/fiatjaf/e3232bef6d59263b439b97b6d04d1bcc
18:24 < fiatjaf> hey, rusty, what does "direction" mean?
18:24 < fiatjaf> I can't find anything in the documentation
18:24 < rusty> fiatjaf: 0 or 1.... nodes are ordered into key order, 0 means from lower key, 1 mean from higher key.  It's inside the gossip protocol.  Why?
18:26 < fiatjaf> trying to manually build a route and these numbers are in my way
18:27 < fiatjaf> ok, so there's a channel between A and B. direction 0 means it's A->B, direction 1 means B->A
18:27 < fiatjaf> thank you very much
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--- Log closed Sat Apr 06 00:00:36 2019