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03:39 < lxer> Is there some way to request an invoice from a node? for example, for donations/tipping 
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05:19 <@cdecker> lxer: not yet, but Rusty is working on such a protocol, and there is the keysend functionality where you don't need an invoice (experimental, being tested as plugins)
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07:48 < darosior> Or just https://github.com/lightningd/plugins/tree/master/sendinvoiceless ?
07:48 < darosior> It looks pretty similar to keysend actually ?
07:49 < darosior> with regard to the usage
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07:59 <@niftynei> does libwally have an irc channel?
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12:07 <@cdecker> darosior: it is, but it is also pretty inefficient due to circular routes and payments don't result in an entry in the incoming payments
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16:13 < guillaume_bitcoi> hi guys! I have two questions if someone doesn't mind answering, I'm developing an app that uses c-lightning as lightning node. 
16:14 < zmnscpxj> ok
16:15 < guillaume_bitcoi> First, when I close a channel with lightning-close and the timeout ends, a force closure starts. How long does it take for the force closure to end? I believe it's a relative value depending on the timelock value at creation of channel, but where do I see this timelock value?
16:17 < zmnscpxj> `listchannels`
16:17 < zmnscpxj> `delay` parameter
16:18 < zmnscpxj> Note each channel appears *twice* in that list
16:18 < zmnscpxj> I think you should take the one where you are the `destination`.
16:19 < zmnscpxj> Your closure timeout is determined by your counterparty, who is the `source` of the `delay` data, so you should take the object where you are `destination`.
16:19 < zmnscpxj> timelock value is relative to ***closure*** of channel, more specifically when the closure is confirmed onchain.
16:20 < zmnscpxj> You can also probably grep in the logs, `onchaind` will report at each block I think how many more blocks to go
16:21 < guillaume_bitcoi> Wow, thanks! that helps a lot
16:22 < zmnscpxj> Hmmm no wait
16:22 < zmnscpxj> the docs might be wrong.... lemme double-check
16:24 < zmnscpxj> NOOOO the docs are wrong......
16:24 < zmnscpxj> sorry guillaume lemme get back on you on that
16:25 < zmnscpxj> probably the most reliable way is to grep the logs, `onchaind` will report the number of blocks left
16:25 < guillaume_bitcoi> hmm ok np
16:28 < rusty> guillaume_bitcoi:  hmm, listpeers should show the countdown in the channel status billboard too, IIRC?
16:29 < zmnscpxj> As the `status` field, yes
16:29 < zmnscpxj> but has to be parsed if you are trying to get it  from a program
16:30 < rusty> zmnscpxj: seems my critique of 3486 was bullshit, sorry.  Didn't realize the hashing of the secret is *after* ECDH ofc.
16:30 < zmnscpxj> yeah but with all the flak it got I withdraw it
16:30 < rusty> zmnscpxj: sometimes getting flak is part of Being Right ;)
16:30 < zmnscpxj> anyway lemme fix the docs for `listpeers` first
16:31 < zmnscpxj> `listchannels` I mean
16:33 < zmnscpxj> Because `delay` there is really `cltv_expiry_delta`
16:38 < guillaume_bitcoi> ah ok yes got it from "listpeers" on "our_to_self_delay" :) thanks a lot
16:38 < zmnscpxj> Right right
16:38 < zmnscpxj> it's not documented either
16:42 < zmnscpxj> https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/3494 for listchannels docs fix
16:44 < guillaume_bitcoi> wow fast
16:44 < zmnscpxj> doc bug, so not a lot of time needed
16:45 < zmnscpxj> and we need to fix up our docs as well.......
16:45 < guillaume_bitcoi> is that value configurable on channel setup? else how can that value be modified? 144 blocks is the default right?
16:45 < zmnscpxj> at channel setup, cannot be changed after channel setup I think
16:46 < zmnscpxj> because you sign transactions with it already
16:50 < zmnscpxj> and it is the signed transactions that are basically the unilateral close
16:59 < guillaume_bitcoi> ahhh right
16:59 < zmnscpxj> `listpeers` documentation is misleading as well: it characterizes `channels` as "a list of channel id" but that is incorrect, it is a list of objects describing each channel
17:13 < rusty> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/pull/714
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18:57 < zmnscpxj> rusty: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/issues/3495
18:58 < rusty> zmnscpxj: good points.
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