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05:48 < ghost43_> there seems to be another change with ledger in the new app
05:49 < ghost43_> AFAICT it only provides xpub if unlocked
05:49 < ghost43_> that was not the case just before I upgraded
05:50 < ghost43_> so now I can't get bip32 root fingerprint at enumeration time...
05:51 < provoostenator> Are you sure that was ever possible?
05:51 < provoostenator> I've never tried
05:57 < ghost43_> yes because electrum uses it to get root fingerprint at enum time
05:58 < ghost43_> but I only have one device and I cannot downgrade so.. cannot check for true 100% sureness :)
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06:16 < ghost43_> I can't even get an xpub if unlocked but without bitcoin app open
06:22 < provoostenator> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/HWI/pull/403 fixes all the things :-)
06:23 < provoostenator> ghost43_: you may need to set automatic permission in the settings, though I haven't tried that.
06:25 < ghost43_> I just know it did not used to give that exception, without changing any settings
06:25 < ghost43_> but anyway, it still works if the device is unlocked and with correct app open, so it's ~fine
06:26 < ghost43_> it would be nice if they had a changelog and we did not have to find out things through user reports and manual testing
06:27 < ghost43_> changes such as changing hid device ids...
08:07 < achow101> both ledger and trezor are incentivized to make it more difficult for 3rd party support because they provide their own software and want people to use that
08:08 < achow101> frankly, the fact that they do make it difficult for third parties, but act as if they are open source and developer friendly is really annoying
08:08 < achow101> i'd be fine if they openly declared that they were going to be assholes, but this pretending shit just pisses me off
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12:05 < provoostenator> Well at least they helped fixed this particular issue quickly.
12:06 < provoostenator> I don't think it's a major conspiracy.  Electrum, Wasabi and HWI are miniscule compared to their main customer base.
12:07 < provoostenator> It's not that they have incentive to discourage them, it's more that they have little incentive to pay attention.
12:07 < provoostenator> Except for goodwill, recruitment and the occasional responsible disclosure.
12:07 < provoostenator> (or infantile disclosure)
12:40 < achow101> both do help fix issues, but the problem is really that they just make breaking changes with disregard to third party projects
12:42 < achow101> i'm just frustrated that this keeps happening
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