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00:13 < YourCoinMyCoin> hey guys
00:14 < YourCoinMyCoin> is the other irc server working?
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00:29 < joinmarketuser> hello
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02:58 < belcher_> adlai: it's on cyberguerilla IRC #joinmarket
02:59 < waxwing> joinmarket.me obwatcher down too
02:59 < waxwing> i'll try restart now
03:08 < waxwing> no dice. shame the multi-MC is not quite ready yet...
03:15 < belcher_> my yieldgen also just failed to connect
03:16 < waxwing> i think we have the same scenario as on previous cut-outs: bots already in are still working, but you can't get in
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04:15 < waxwing> joinmarket.me back up, probably you can join again
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04:44 < talke> i can't run tumbler.py nor patientsend.py. both of them don't work. tumbler.py(got error after a while with "not enough fund" after it sent out first transaction. its stupid) patientsend.py (try to send few btcs, running for 1 hour now nothing happen expect poping out unreadable irc flood messages)
04:55 < talke> any one help?
05:06 < talke> anyone help?
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09:54 < fqtw> is the released windows version already functional for tumbling?
10:02 < waxwing> the command line scripts can be used on windows, with difficulty installing (see the wiki instructions), but the binary/gui is only for sendpayment
10:03 < waxwing> (command line scripts include tumbler.py script, to be clear)
10:11 < fqtw> thx
10:52 < waxwing> Alexcato, you there?
10:54 < GithubBot5678> [joinmarket] AdamISZ pushed 2 new commits to develop: https://git.io/vogo1
10:54 < GithubBot5678> joinmarket/develop f9fb9f0 Alex Cato: socks.py: randomize socks5 credentials for tor stream isolation
10:54 < GithubBot5678> joinmarket/develop aba76d5 Adam Gibson: Merge pull request #560 from AlexCato/tor_stream_isolation...
10:54 < waxwing> i just wondered why the change to __proxy from proxy, but it was tested, so.
10:57 < waxwing> also alexcato, i'm testing the fix to the bug you found, sorry for delay
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12:09 < YourCoinMyCoin> hello
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12:14 < freekevin> hi
12:15 < freekevin> how much coin is really needed to run a yield generator?
12:15 < freekevin> a minimum kind of ammolunt
12:15 < freekevin> the wii talks about it
12:15 < freekevin> wiki
12:15 < freekevin> but it is vague
12:16 < freekevin> 100 coins or 0.1 coins
12:16 < pigeons> really hard to say, also how many unpensts its split into and what sizes they are
12:16 < freekevin> im not rich
12:16 < freekevin> or i would put 100 coins on it
12:16 < pigeons> probably a couple of ..05 btcs will get a join or tow oer a week
12:17 < freekevin> is there a statistics of how many joins in the 0.05 there are?
12:17 < freekevin> maybe i could fill a gap
12:17 < freekevin> ?
12:18 < pigeons> no. the point is you dont know if its a join or someone using multiple inputs of their own and spending to a couple addresses, or an exchange making a payout
12:19 < pigeons> even though there are lot of fingerprints for pretty good clues
12:19 < pigeons> look here for current offers https://joinmarket.me/ob/
12:20 < YourCoinMyCoin> the onion one?
12:20 < YourCoinMyCoin> i saw it posted on reddit
12:26 < waxwing> YourCoinMyCoin: which onion? you mean the onion for connecting to the joinmarket trading pit IRC channel?
12:28 < YourCoinMyCoin> nope
12:28 < YourCoinMyCoin> chris posted an onion irc to chat
12:29 < waxwing> oh right, i guess it's the same one (cyberguerrilla). he made an IRC bridge for it
12:29 < YourCoinMyCoin> is that working?
12:29 < waxwing> https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/blob/master/joinmarket/configure.py#L119
12:29 < YourCoinMyCoin> i am using freenode 
12:29 < waxwing> should be that one
12:30 < waxwing> it's the onion for irc.cyberguerrilla.org
12:30 < waxwing> and i guess you'd join #joinmarket, haven't used it myself
12:30 < YourCoinMyCoin> yeah thats the one
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12:37 < YourCoinMyCoin> connected there now
12:38 < YourCoinMyCoin> but so few connected there haha
12:40 < waxwing> you should be able to talk from there and it should show up here, i think. YourCoinMyCoin 
12:42 < dserrano6> I was about to reply to the JN bct thread about my issues with the electrum plugin but I thought this would be more interactive :)
12:42 <+JM-IRCRelay> [CoinShuffle] Can you see this?
12:42 < dserrano6> JM*
12:42 < waxwing> yes i can see it
12:43 < waxwing> dserrano6: hi
12:43 < dserrano6> waxwing: yes, that's the instructions I followed. This is linux debian
12:43 < waxwing> ok, hmm
12:43 < waxwing> so you see absolutely nothing in tools->plugin?
12:43 < waxwing> no "Joinmarket" entry?
12:43 < dserrano6> I see the plugin, and I activated it
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12:43 < waxwing> ah. but then no new "Joinmarket" tab?
12:43 < dserrano6> upon startup I get: 2016-06-16 20:31:57,881 [MainThread  ] [DEBUG]  hello joinmarket
12:44 < dserrano6> correct, no tab
12:44 < waxwing> interesting. is your wallet type "Standard"?
12:44 <+JM-IRCRelay> [CoinShuffle] finally set this thing up to route through tor
12:44 < waxwing> and i guess it's 2.6.4 
12:44 < dserrano6> that's why I asked to insert debug stuff in the code. It should be running but for some reason, not doing everything it's supposed to
12:44 <+JM-IRCRelay> [CoinShuffle] was pointing to default port instead of 6697
12:44 < dserrano6> yes 2.6.4
12:44 < dserrano6> just checked
12:45 < waxwing> the 'hello joinmarket' means it's loaded. there must be some condition that stops the tab loading .. no error messages/log messages at all apart from that, eh
12:46 < dserrano6> no, that's the only stuff on stdout, besides adresses
12:47 < waxwing> can you check if there's a joinmarket/ directory in ~/.electrum?
12:47 < dserrano6> $ ls .electrum
12:47 < dserrano6> blockchain_headers  certs  config  daemon  recent_servers  wallets
12:47 < waxwing> oh also, if it's in the plugins menu, could you try clicking the settings button next to it?
12:48 < dserrano6> the settings button gives an error along the lines of "oops there's no GUI for this"
12:48 < dserrano6> I took that to be "sorry this is devel software!" :)
12:48 < waxwing> huh. that's wrong.
12:48 < dserrano6> might be worth mentioning that I've used old versions of electrum as this user
12:48 < waxwing> so is joinmarket/ in dist-packages/electrum_plugins ?
12:48 < dserrano6> may I wipe ~/.electrum and start again...
12:49 < waxwing> i wouldn't bother
12:49 < waxwing> hmm what am i saying, it must be there if it's in the plugins menu.
12:49 < waxwing> what exactly is that error message you see from the settings button?
12:50 < dserrano6> $ ls /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/electrum_plugins/joinmarket/
12:50 < dserrano6> __init__.py  joinmarket_gui.py  qt.py  sendpayment.py
12:50 < waxwing> yeah i retract that request, it must be there
12:50 < dserrano6> the error when I click is: ConfigParser.NoSectionError: No section: 'GUI'
12:50 < dserrano6>   File "/home/hue/tmp/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/electrum_plugins/joinmarket/qt.py", line 54, in settings_dialog
12:51 < waxwing> hmm, that's interesting. something seems wrong where it hasn't been able to write the files into ~/.electrum somehow
12:51 < waxwing> it should write: joinmarket/joinmarket.cfg , joinmarket/logs into ~/.electrum on start up, if i remember right
12:51 < dserrano6> ok, so
12:51 < waxwing> you have no config it seems
12:51 < dserrano6> actually /usr/local is a symlink to /home/user1/tmp/local
12:52 < dserrano6> and I'm runninng electrum as user electrum, not user1. But then, /usr/local isn't supposed to be written to by electrum anyway
12:52 < dserrano6> mentioning this just in case, as this is not an usual setup.
12:52 < dserrano6> I did the "pip install" stuff as user1, of course
12:52 < dserrano6> but I'm running electrum as user electrum
12:52 < waxwing> right /usr/local should be OK i guess, like you say there is nothing being written there. it should be in home dir ~/.electrum
12:53 < waxwing> i guess you did pip install without --user so that'll be a system install
12:53 < dserrano6> I did, yes.
12:53 < dserrano6> $ pip install libnacl
12:53 < dserrano6> Downloading/unpacking libnacl
12:53 < dserrano6> [blah blah]
12:54 < dserrano6> $ pip install https://download.electrum.org/2.6.4/Electrum-2.6.4.tar.gz
12:54 < dserrano6> Downloading/unpacking https://download.electrum.org/2.6.4/Electrum-2.6.4.tar.gz
12:54 < dserrano6> [blah blah]
12:54 < waxwing> ah, but, if you did python setup.py install for joinmarket_core as user1, then i guess it won't work if you run electrum as electrum
12:54 < dserrano6> checking that...
12:54 < waxwing> i think by default python setup.py install installs for the user
12:54 < waxwing> i forgot now
12:54 < waxwing> there is no pip for that yet (not sure if there will be)
12:55 < dserrano6> yes I did "python setup.py install" as user1
12:55 < waxwing> btw i've been led to believe that we might be able to binary package this as an electrum-joinmarket, it might be that ThomasV will allow that. but i'm not sure if we want to (and anyway not nearly ready..)
12:56 < waxwing> dserrano6: right, if you run python as user electrum, you can see if `import joinmarket_core` works, i guess it won't
12:57 < dserrano6> >>> import joinmarket_core
12:57 < dserrano6> 2016-06-17 20:57:15,803 [MainThread  ] [DEBUG]  hello joinmarket
12:57 < dserrano6> as electrum, indeed
12:57 < waxwing> oh, ok, so that is working, hmm
12:57 < waxwing> i suppose i should have known that lol
12:58 < waxwing> https://github.com/AdamISZ/electrum-joinmarket-plugin/blob/master/joinmarket/qt.py#L115
12:58 < waxwing> wallet is definitely 'standard' type?
12:58 < dserrano6> I initially tried "python setup.py install" as electrum, but got EPERM
12:58 < dserrano6>     [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/test-easy-install-21722.write-test'
12:59 < dserrano6> so I went back to user1
12:59 < waxwing> oh so it system installed, OK, my mistake, i forgot there is a --user flag there too
12:59 < dserrano6> how can I check whether wallet is standard type?
12:59 < waxwing> umm good question, i know how to create a new one, but not sure how to check
12:59 < waxwing> like i said in the instructions, it's better to test with a new wallet anyway
13:00 < dserrano6> again, I'm not actually an electrum user. It's easy for me to get rid of ~/.electrum
13:00 < waxwing> oh, so this is a fresh wallet?
13:01 < waxwing> huh, i don't know how you can check, actually. but if they're not multisig, and it's on 2.6.4, i think it'll be standard.
13:01 < waxwing> the exception would be if you're using an old wallet from an old version
13:01 < dserrano6> I can't tell. I played with electrum when it was 1.7.2, 1.7.4, 1.9.4... sorry I'm not sure. I feel like a luser :)
13:01 < waxwing> dserrano6: no, this is normal, i have the same situation, i have one very old wallet
13:01 < waxwing> just make a brand new one.
13:01 < waxwing> my guess is that that is the cause here. possibly.
13:02 < dserrano6> oki, I'll send the satoshis back to my bitcoincore wallet, then remove ~/.electrum and try again. See you in ~10 minutes ;)
13:02 < waxwing> no need
13:02 < waxwing> you can have multiple wallets in electrum
13:03 < waxwing> as for the coins, well actually testing it is cool, but let's just get it to load first :)
13:03 < waxwing> what i mean is, you don't need to wipe ~/.electrum
13:03 < waxwing> just make a new wallet and call it wallet2 or whatever
13:03 < dserrano6> hmm lets see
13:05 < dserrano6> ok, new standard wallet, new electrum window *with* joinmarket tab in it
13:05 < waxwing> cool :)
13:06 < waxwing> as for testing it, no rush, you can maybe put in a few millibits later. unfortunately no testnet option for electrum :(
13:06 < waxwing> thanks!
13:07 < MattRK> Does anyone know why the IRC server was down yesterday? It appears to be up today and everything is working perfectly. 
13:07 < MattRK> Seems like it was down for about 18 hours
13:08 < dserrano6> I'm wealthy enough I can do away with $15 :P
13:08 < waxwing> dserrano6: that's good to hear :) i spent about $1 testing it a few weeks back
13:08 < waxwing> i'm not wealthy but i could manage that :)
13:09 < waxwing> i guess it's more the time than the money...
13:09 < waxwing> but still, testnet would be nice.. or regtest. strange they don't have anything for testing, really
13:10 < waxwing> MattRK: was it as long as that? i saw it down only for a few hours
13:10 < waxwing> we have a currently in-testing PR for multiple message channels (just IRC servers for now)
13:10 < waxwing> i've been running a bot on 3 channels for a few days, it's working, but there are some bugs to iron out
13:10 < waxwing> sorry 3 servers i meant
13:30 < MattRK> waxwing It went down around 11am CST 6/17 and wasn't back up (for me anyway) until about 9am cst 6/17
13:30 < MattRK> I was able to connect manually which was super odd
13:31 < MattRK> I couldn't get the scripts to connect at all. 
13:31 < dserrano6> DEBUG:Pushed via Electrum successfully, hash: 2fb75d6714c81e1f133cbc458bd149aa9cf655002b9438ff9f6ea0d379f26db1
13:31 < dserrano6> good stuff :)
13:31 < MattRK> thanks for the info though
13:32 < waxwing> dserrano6: :)
13:32 < waxwing> MattRK: yeah, i agree weird that you could connect manually
13:32 < waxwing> maybe some of the join settings for the bots, not sure
13:34 < waxwing> dserrano6: if you want to make the tx fees lower set tx_fees in the settings to ~10 from 3. means targets 10 blocks (hover for tooltip)
13:46 < dserrano6> ah, and I might adjust blockchain_source while I'm at it :)
13:46 < dserrano6> thanks for the tip, and the overall support
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14:57 < pigeons> so if i want to move a joinmarket wallet to a new bitcoind daemon instance, but not transfer the bitcoind wallet, do i just run wallet-tool until it stops importing addresses?
14:58 < pigeons> it seems stuck on importing the last 60 addresses or so with errors in bitcoin debug.log about CWalletTx::GetAmounts: Unknown transaction type found, txid XXXXX
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15:08 < pigeons> ok i see the problem with those particular transactions, but should that keep me from being able to use wallet tool without it trying to import them?
15:22 < phantomcircuit> belcher_, waxwing fyi JacobApplbaum is almost certainly impersonating for financial gain
15:22 < phantomcircuit> plz2remove
15:22 < phantomcircuit> adlai, ^
15:35 < proslogion> phantomcircuit: any reason to believe he is not just trolling?
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22:03 < freekevin> is it possible to run a yield bot on tor?
22:04 < freekevin> tor does have connection issues sometimes
22:04 < freekevin> relays move
22:04 < freekevin> its not 100% uptime
22:04 < freekevin> it could break during a coinjoin
22:04 < freekevin> has anyone here run tor yield generator?
22:06 < JacobApplbaum> Im the real jacob appelbaum
22:06 < JacobApplbaum> phantomcircuit you wish to donate to me?
22:06 < JacobApplbaum> i demand a 3-some with your wife
22:06 < JacobApplbaum> you cuck
22:09  * JacobApplbaum pulls his cellphone from faraday pouch
22:09 < JacobApplbaum> you want to talk to assange?
22:09 < JacobApplbaum> hes used to letting me put him on the phone with drunk girls i want to sleep with
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22:13 -!- JacobAplbaum is now known as Jacobapl
22:19 < goregrind> freekevin: yes, lots of yield bots have been running through tor since the beginning
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